Who dug J. Clapp's Mine Tunnel where he stayed

[Gregory E. Davis]

Good morning Gentlemen: Does anybody know Who and When the mine in which J. Clapp lived in on the West side of Hackberry Mesa was original dug and operated? Also the original Claim Papers of the original owner? Cordially, Gregory E. Davis

 

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[Bowfisher45]

Good morning Gentlemen: Does anybody know Who and When the mine in which J. Clapp lived in on the West side of Hackberry Mesa was original dug and operated? Also the original Claim Papers of the original owner? Cordially, Gregory E. Davis

No but im pretty sure that I had located it on google let me dig through some messages and see if I can find it

 

[Gregory E. Davis]

Good morning all: Doesn't anybody out there know anything about who original due the J.Clapp Mine? Cordially, Gregory E. Davis

 

[Idahodutch]

Good morning all: Doesn't anybody out there know anything about who original due the J.Clapp Mine? Cordially, Gregory E. Davis

Good morning Mr. Davis,
Is that the same mine or cave that Barry Storm stayed in ?

Idahodutch

 

[Gregory E. Davis]

Good morning Mr. Davis,
Is that the same mine or cave that Barry Storm stayed in ?

Idahodutch

Good afternoon Idahodutch: No, the cave Barry Stayed in is above Tortilla Flatt. Cordially, Gregory E. Davis

 

[Idahodutch]

Good afternoon Idahodutch: No, the cave Barry Stayed in is above Tortilla Flatt. Cordially, Gregory E. Davis

Mr. Davis,
Thanks… don’t give up, someone may know 👍

Idahodutch

 

[Gregory E. Davis]

Mr. Davis,
Thanks… don’t give up, someone may know 👍

Idahodutch

 

[Gregory E. Davis]

Hello All: This may help. The J.Clapp Mine area where the mine tunnel is located is in Maricopa County. I would assume that the original Mine books are at the Arizona State Archives. on 19th. Ave,. Cordially, Gregory E. Davis

 

[Gregory E. Davis]

Hello All: This may help. The J.Clapp Mine area where the mine tunnel is located is in Maricopa County. I would assume that the original Mine books are at the Arizona State Archives. on 19th. Ave,. Cordially, Gregory E. Davis

Its been awhile but has anybody located any information on who originally dug the mine where J. Clapp lived? Cordially, Gregory E. Davis

 

[Idahodutch]

Its been awhile but has anybody located any information on who originally dug the mine where J. Clapp lived? Cordially, Gregory E. Davis

Mr. Davis,
It turns out I will be in town for a few more days. I would need instructions on where to go, and what to do, but perhaps I could spend part of a day?
Let me know if there is something I can do.

Sincerely, Idahodutch.

 

[Gregory E. Davis]

Mr. Davis,
It turns out I will be in town for a few more days. I would need instructions on where to go, and what to do, but perhaps I could spend part of a day?
Let me know if there is something I can do.

Sincerely, Idahodutch.

Sir: The mine is in Maricopa County. It will require one to go the Arizona State Archives (Polly Rosenbaum Building on 19th. Ave. downtown Phoenix). and go through the Mining Claim Books one page at a time and try to figure out which claim is referring to the location of the mine.. My best guess is that the mine tunnel was dug between the 1930's and the early 1950's. To dig that tunnel would have required drilling equipment and dynamite., so it was not a small operation. On top of all of this one must contact the archives a day or two before going there to make an appointment. Best to send them an email and inquire what records you are looking for, I.E., microfilm or the original Mining Claim Books. Not an easy task if you do not know the name of the mine or who filed the claim or when it was filed. Cordially, Gregory E. Davis

 

[Gregory E. Davis]

Sir: The mine is in Maricopa County. It will require one to go the Arizona State Archives (Polly Rosenbaum Building on 19th. Ave. downtown Phoenix). and go through the Mining Claim Books one page at a time and try to figure out which claim is referring to the location of the mine.. My best guess is that the mine tunnel was dug between the 1930's and the early 1950's. To dig that tunnel would have required drilling equipment and dynamite., so it was not a small operation. On top of all of this one must contact the archives a day or two before going there to make an appointment. Best to send them an email and inquire what records you are looking for, I.E., microfilm or the original Mining Claim Books. Not an easy task if you do not know the name of the mine or who filed the claim or when it was filed. Cordially, Gregory E. Davis

Hello All: The mine Jay Clapp lived in had to have been dug before 1950 because it appears that Clapp moved into it around 1951 or 1952. Cordially, Gregory E. Davis

 

[Idahodutch]

Sir: The mine is in Maricopa County. It will require one to go the Arizona State Archives (Polly Rosenbaum Building on 19th. Ave. downtown Phoenix). and go through the Mining Claim Books one page at a time and try to figure out which claim is referring to the location of the mine.. My best guess is that the mine tunnel was dug between the 1930's and the early 1950's. To dig that tunnel would have required drilling equipment and dynamite., so it was not a small operation. On top of all of this one must contact the archives a day or two before going there to make an appointment. Best to send them an email and inquire what records you are looking for, I.E., microfilm or the original Mining Claim Books. Not an easy task if you do not know the name of the mine or who filed the claim or when it was filed. Cordially, Gregory E. Davis

Mr. Davis,
Thank you for elaborating. It’s apparent that part of a day out of the few days I have here, is most likely not enough time to hardly get a look see…My apologies. I hope that you are able to find the information on the original prospector of Clapp’s mine.

Sincerely,
Idahodutch

 

[Clay Diggins]

Lots of nonsense by non miners on this thread. Lets see if we can't put real researchers back on track.

Mining claim location records are archived at the Maricopa County Recorder.
Arizona State law:

The locator of a lode, placer or millsite claim shall:
1. Cause to be recorded in the office of the county recorder of the county in which the claim is located an executed copy of the location notice to which notice shall be attached a map, plat or sketch of the claim, within ninety days from the time of the location.
The county recorder shall keep proper indices of mine location notices and maps by the cadastral subdivisions of the United States bureau of land management or general land office. The county recorder shall receive the fees prescribed in section 11-475 for recording a mine location notice and map, plat or sketch appended to such notice.

Looking elsewhere would be foolish and counterproductive.

There are no mining records at the Arizona State Archives. This link has the list of materials available in the State Archives:

https://azlibrary.gov/arm/accessing-arizona-public-records

 

[Gregory E. Davis]

Hello Clay Diggings. That odd, I have been to the archives in the past and physically held the old record books and looked through them. Cordially, Gregory E. Davis

 

[Clay Diggins]

Hello Clay Diggings. That odd, I have been to the archives in the past and physically held the old record books and looked through them. Cordially, Gregory E. Davis

You must have gotten bad directions. The mining claim records for Maricopa County are all held at 111 S 3rd Ave #102, Phoenix, AZ.

You don't need to actually go there physically to view mining claim records. They are available online. Check it out:

https://recorder.maricopa.gov/recdocdata/

The Maricopa County public records only go back to 1871. Maricopa County did not exist until February 14, 1871. They have been the official record keeper for mining claim ownership ever since public notice of mining claims became the law in 1872. If a mining claim was located in Maricopa County the original records for that claim are at the County Recorder and nowhere else.

The recorder will make you a copy of the actual original paper records. No other entity can do that for you because by law all the originals are defined as public records under the direct care and custody of the elected recorder.

I've been obtaining copies of mining claim records from county recorders in Arizona and elsewhere for nearly 50 years. I obtained more than 5,000 copies of individual mining claim records in the Phoenix, Arizona region last year alone. Every single one of those mining record copies in all 4 counties came directly from the originals in the respective Recorder's archives.

Maybe study the subject a little more? You would greatly increase your research skills and possibly with some diligence learn how to find the answer to the question you posed.

Educate Yourself and Prosper

...or not
the choice is always yours

 

[Gregory E. Davis]

You must have gotten bad directions. The mining claim records for Maricopa County are all held at 111 S 3rd Ave #102, Phoenix, AZ.

You don't need to actually go there physically to view mining claim records. They are available online. Check it out:

https://recorder.maricopa.gov/recdocdata/

The Maricopa County public records only go back to 1871. Maricopa County did not exist until February 14, 1871. They have been the official record keeper for mining claim ownership ever since public notice of mining claims became the law in 1872. If a mining claim was located in Maricopa County the original records for that claim are at the County Recorder and nowhere else.

The recorder will make you a copy of the actual original paper records. No other entity can do that for you because by law all the originals are defined as public records under the direct care and custody of the elected recorder.

I've been obtaining copies of mining claim records from county recorders in Arizona and elsewhere for nearly 50 years. I obtained more than 5,000 copies of individual mining claim records in the Phoenix, Arizona region last year alone. Every single one of those mining record copies in all 4 counties came directly from the originals in the respective Recorder's archives.

Maybe study the subject a little more? You would greatly increase your research skills and possibly with some diligence learn how to find the answer to the question you posed.

Educate Yourself and Prosper

...or not
the choice is always yours

Good morning Sir: I just received an email from the Arizona State Archives and they clearly state that they have the original Maricopa Mining Claim books from 1871 to 1946 plus they also have them on microfilm. A patrons choice as how they want to view the documents, originals books or microfilm. Cordially, Gregory E. Davis

 

[PotBelly Jim]

Greg,

There was once a road that went from Bill Barkley's house to the mine that Jay Clapp lived in (the road went on the back side of Frog Peaks). This indicates to me that the Barkley's would've known who dug it, as anything being carted into or out of the mine area would've gone right by their front door. I believe the mine was also on their range. I couldn't recall if any family members (daughter) that lived in the house at the time, are still alive or are still in the area, but perhaps they know who dug the shaft.

I do know that Bill Barkley was friends with Clapp, and that they filed a mining claim together over at the foot of the central cliff in Old Squaw Canyon. It was named the "Hidden Mark".

Gus and Gertrude had several mining claims, but none that I'm aware of over by First Water.

 

[deducer]

Maybe study the subject a little more? You would greatly increase your research skills and possibly with some diligence learn how to find the answer to the question you posed.

Educate Yourself and Prosper

...or not
the choice is always yours

Boy, you just like to take potshots at everyone, don't you?

 

[Clay Diggins]

Good morning Sir: I just received an email from the Arizona State Archives and they clearly state that they have the original Maricopa Mining Claim books from 1871 to 1946 plus they also have them on microfilm. A patrons choice as how they want to view the documents, originals books or microfilm. Cordially, Gregory E. Davis

That's miraculous! I'm sure that you found the Walz mining claim location from 1886 in there. I got my copy direct from the source, the Maricopa County Recorder.