Question for Lucky Eddie
Could you just use a Precious Metal Analyzer and tell if the nugget is natural or manufactured
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No Idea - I have never owned one!.
Its not that the gold might be counterfeit... its the source of the Gold... where it CAME from.
Is it Australian Gold (or indeed even Victorian / Nallarat / Golden Triangle Gold) OR is it West Australian Gold or possibly even African Gold is the question!.
That's the possible isssue/s at stake here & whether the device above can determine to that degree of analysis - I have no idea.
Refer back to the Mickelberg Perth Mint Swindle case and the quote from John of the UK, who was the GPR operator present at the raid on the Mickelbergs house.
Mickelbers were accused and convicted for a swindle of the Perth Mint where Bullion Bars (i.e. minted / refined bars, with assay details and serial numbers on them and 99.9% pure gold stamp etc etc), YET the persons present says, when Gold was recovered from under their Mother Peggys house in Cottesloe - they were Gold Ingots, and we KNOW there's evidence of them melting gold in the back yard ad making a fake nugget!
If you melted down gold from a shipwreck, and then manufactured a fake nugget mightn't that gold be melted into ingot form as part of the process?.
You'd think that someone, who witnessed a recovery would describe the minted gold bullion bars which were allegedly missing from the Perth Mint as Gold BARS & or Bullion becase of the uniformity and serial numbers and purity stamps Perth Mint markings etc etc.
Yet the eye witness describes scenes of melted gold in the garden brickwork mortar pointing & the 'bars' as ingots, something you might make in your back yard just as some might cast lead ingots or even lead fishing sinkers in a mold.
Also think about this.
The Mickelbers convictions were later quashed - because there was never any proof against them.
So - if an eye witness observed the recovery of serial numbered minted gold bars from the Perth Mint - and that's the crime that the Mickelbergs were originally charged & convicted of, HOW could their charges be later quashed IF there was serial numbered minted bars with fineness stamps an Perth Mint Stamps etc on them.. surely those minted bars, would be traced back to the original claimed Perth Mint swindle theft minted bars - complete with their serial numbers etc?
An this is all just more proof that - the Mickelbergs had African Gold off the Zyptdorf wreck, - that the Gold recovered by bent Police Hancock, was that African Gold.
The fact that African Gold was handed in to a TV News Reporter is the key.
Everything points to the Gold recovered by Police never finding its way BACK to the Perth Mint!
Why would any minted bars from the Perth Mint, contain Afrcan Gold? They wouldn;t they would contain West Australian Gold from Kalgoorlie or Coolgardie or any of the west Australian Goldfields... not African Gold!.
Lastly - any involvement of Minelabs.
No ones suggesting any direct involvement of the Minelabs company - except that whoever claimed to find these nuggets (natural or man made) chose to photograph them with a Minelabs GPX7000 machine, which I pointed out would be exactly what I would do if I were lookingto create the impression this gold was found int he olden triangle.
It is possible by assay to determine the origin of gold in its raw form.
Has any assay proved that the Nugget I posted about from Carnarvon (a location only 100 miles from the zyptdorf wreck expected to contain African gold) contains west Australian gold or could it be African Gold?
Has anyone assayed the nugget photographed with the Minelabs detector claimed to be found in Victorian gold field for Victorian Goldfields sourced gold?.
There's still the missing gold recovered from the Mickelbergs (and pretty highly likely to be African Gold) yet to be accounted for!
There's possibly a large amount of West Ozzie Gold from the Kelhets murders yet to be accounted for.
Whatever gold was stolen in the Perth Mint Swindle theft is also yet to be accounted for!.
And of course whatever African gold was recovered from the Zyptdorp - this alsois yet to be accounted for!.
Originally the Mickelbergs according to press reports at the time - attempted to account for some of their ill gotten gold (whether Shipwreck or stolen Perth mint bars) subsequently sold to Alan Bond as the Yellow Rose Of Texas nugget), by pretending to find a big nugget with a newly invested at the time whites metal detector.
There are at lest 3 missing Dutch East Indiamen (possibly containing African gold) yet to be officially recovered!.
There's a few have been recovered (yet strangely no gold treasure at all in the West Australian Maritime Museum!).
Yet we are supposed to believe that ALL the publicized nuggets are all natural nuggets found legitimately by prospectors with Minelabs detectors!
The cynic inside me says that we have several major large quantities of Gold gone missing, we have murders, mysteries of quashed charges, Police recovery's of gold that never went back to the Mint, missing dead prospectors, Police Detective inspectors who retired and wait for it - bought a hotel in the Goldfields, blown up in their car etc!
My own contention is that the moment an of these nuggets are reported they SHOULD be assayed for at the minimum, country of origin of the gold!
There's WAY too much legitimizing of stolen Gold in Australia by "finding large nuggets".
The invention of the Gold detector machine has been waaay too convenient for way too many people over the years, who bu one and just stumble across huge nuggets.
What are the odds of a old guy in Carnarvon, less than 100 miles from the scene of the Zyptdorp shipwreck, known to have had African Gold on it, suddenly 20 years later (when all the media whoo har from the Mickelbergs case has died down) suddenly being in possession of such a large nugget?
I smell a very big fat rat is all I am saying.
It's up to others to draw their own conclusions.
Why would Minelabs want to kill the fairy tail of finding large nuggets with their machines - its the biggest FREE national / international advertising campaign you could ask for!
You know the BEST guaranteed way to find a huge nugget? = Easy - start out with a large quantity of gold and make your own!.
Lets not forget this little gem from a then serving WA Policeman about WA Police Involvement (Det Inspector Don Hancock again) with Stolen Gold....
On 2 December 1984, I was transferred to the Central Police Station in uniform branch and during routine patrols, I noticed that the Great West Gold exchange had moved its business premises to William Street, near the intersection of Brisbane Street, Northbridge. I again renewed my acquaintance with Mr Bryer in early 1995 and visited him occasionally during my patrols. During one such visit, I informed Mr Bryer that I was soon to commence my annual leave. Mr Bryer asked me if I could supervise his premises while he went on a business trip to Queensland where he was negotiating a business deal with a publicly listed company called Ariadne Limited. I took the opportunity to do so. On one day during the week whilst I was supervising the premises, a staff member drew my attention to a male person attending the business premises with a significant quantity of gold to sell. The staff member informed me that this same person had frequented the premises on about six previous occasions and had sold similar amounts of gold.
On each occasion this gold was in excess of 99% pure and she suspected it to be gold bullion melted down. The male person informed the staff member that he would return within a fortnight with two kilograms of gold of the same quality. I was told this person gave the name of Tony Carbone who I subsequently learned was an associate of John Asciak, Geoffrey Barlow and Brian Chambers, all of them being known drug traffickers. After Carbone left the premises, I examined the gold he had sold to the Great West Gold Exchange, and the register recording the past sales of gold so that I could note the previous times Carbone had sold gold bullion to the Great West Gold Exchange. I wrote down the times, dates, quantity of gold, the amount paid in exchange for the gold and also the assay results and amount paid by the Perth Mint to the Great West Gold Exchange. At the time when I took these notes, I asked the staff member to keep my inquiry confidential from Mr Bryer as I intended to have a covert investigation carried out to ascertain the origin of the gold. I strongly suspected that this gold might have been stolen from the Perth Mint some years previously.
I then contacted Detective Inspector William Round who was a personal friend of mine and was also the second in charge of the Task Force investigating the Perth Mint swindle. I advised Detective Inspector Round what had occurred and requested that he place Carbone under Police surveillance so that evidence could be gleaned regarding the suspected gold and the antecedent details obtained of Carbone’s movements. On the following day, I was contacted by Sergeant Peter Grant who called me from Kalgoorlie and advised me that he had just been transferred to the Gold Stealing Staff and that Detective Chief Superintendent Don Hancock had authorised him to return to Perth to conduct an investigation into the information I had supplied to Detective Inspector Round. I was extremely surprised that Hancock knew about this investigation as I had expected Round to only advise the surveillance team.
A day of so later Grant attended at my private residence and I reiterated to him the importance of confidentiality as I was investigating a client of the Great Western Gold Exchange without the proprietor’s knowledge and I needed to protect my informant. I informed Sergeant Grant that I had made arrangements with the staff member to contact me and advise me when Carbone was to return to the Great Western Gold Exchange, to sell the two kilos of gold. Some two weeks later the staff member called me at home to advise that Carbone had been in touch and stated that he would be in the following morning with the gold. I immediately contacted Sergeant Grant and asked him to alert the Police Surveillance Squad in readiness for their job.
The following morning I received a telephone call from the staff member who was very agitated. When I inquired what the problem was, she told me that Mr Bryer had said he had noticed two male persons loitering and acting very suspiciously near the premises and suspected that they were preparing to rob the Great Western Gold Exchange. She then advised him that the two ‘suspects’ might in fact be police officers conducting an investigation on my behalf. Shortly later when Carbone arrived at the premises these two persons entered the shop and identified themselves as detectives and apprehended Carbone. I understand that the two detectives back at HQ then requested to view the Register and compared the dates that Carbone had previously attended at the premises with the times, dates and details that I had already provided Sergeant Grant. I also understand that Carbone was taken away for questioning and his vehicle and premises were searched. I cannot recall if any charges were preferred against Carbone but in later discussions with Sergeant Grant, I was advised that no gold had been recovered. I am unaware if the two detectives took possession of, or if they photocopied the register but these details should be contained in the relevant police file recording this incident.
I have always considered that this investigation was purposely carried out in a deliberately incompetent manner with a view to compromise the investigation so that the truth and origin of this gold would never be established. In May 2004, Frank continued his account of bizarre police conduct in another affidavit including the extraordinary response to his allegations of corruption when he was appointed to investigate his own investigation and to report the outcome to one of the senior officers he had accused! During my police career, I was appointed as a probationary detective on 2 December 1974, and was promoted through the ranks of the Criminal Investigation Branch, where I worked for 10 years, reaching the rank of detective sergeant. Whilst in the CIB I worked in various squads including Midland C.I.B., motor squad, combined operations, dealers’ squad, drug squad, general crime squad and fraud squad. I was transferred to the uniform branch on 2nd December 1984 after being charged with a disciplinary offence. I remained in the uniform branch until May 1987 when I was transferred to the liquor and gaming branch. In December 1991, I went on sick leave after reporting alleged corrupt or improper conduct by Detective Chief Superintendent Don Hancock and Chief Superintendent Les McMillan to the head of the Police Internal Affairs Branch, Superintendent Ayton, who then instructed me to investigate my own allegations and report my findings to Chief Superintendent McMillan. I was discharged from the police service on medical grounds in April 1993 at the rank of First Class Sergeant.
Everyone else is more than welcome to believe in impossibly big nuggets being found by metal detectors, and ignore all the factual evidence of the more than 20 years of newspaper articles and strange legal cases, deaths & disappearances - involving huge quantities of stolen gold!.
Me - I am not so easily suckered.
I got over believing in fairy's at the bottom of the garden while still aged in single digits.
Growing old is unavoidable - growing up is optional.
That so many refuse to grow up & choose to believe in fairy's at the bottom of the garden is up to them (and finding huge nuggets with Minelabs detectors) is up to them.
You don't see me rushing out to buy a Minelab detector after publication of these news paper articles - I'd be MORE likely to rush out and buy Minelabs shares & join in on & profit from the deliberate ruse!
What others choose to do is up to them!
