1654 Phillipe IV hammered?

[numpty]

Hi all found this in waist deep water along the French/Spanish border my oldest find to date from the salty stuff.
Maybe Hispan can confirm this as I saw a similar one in his recent post spooky or what? bears Barcelona mint marks but thats all I know can't wait to have another bash!!

 

[davesx]

Hi numpty
Welcome to Tnet,
Nice condition especially from the sea.
Dave.

 

[numpty]

Hi dave yeah been thinking about that, I never seem to pull old coins but the sand was stripped out maybe it was washed off the land? Not silver dream machine sx are you?

 

[diggerfororo]

Hi Numpty:

Nice find. I just posted a nice Silver 5 peseta (1891) I found today. I have been hunting here for 16 years and this is only the 3rd or 4th silver I have found in the water. Keep it goin

Les

 

[numpty]

Hi Les more spooky stuff I saw your post and was just about to reply think I got myself one or three of those Alfonso pesetas aswell but its so worn its hard to tell, good luck. P.S they are copper though

 

[numpty]

More pics

 

[CRUSADER]

You might what to PM him incase he misses this post. I agree he will know (Hispan that is)

Good find from the sea

 

[numpty]

Thanks Cru good idea are you you still up trying to catch a hawk?

 

[CRUSADER]

Thanks Cru good idea are you you still up trying to catch a hawk?

We will show our faces again tomorrow, to keep the pressure up, put back filled holes everywhere, let them know we will hoover it up. We have made enough friends in the area, to let others catch them for us. They will get caught out with very little effort.

 

[HISPAN]

Hello friend, these coins are most common to find around here .... some are silver , another is copper (depends on the date and the king) if you have curly collar are silver, which have a straight collar is of copper.
The your coin is of King Philip IV.
These coins are very abundant in my area, but did not circulate in the rest of the empire Español.por this reason in some auction houses are listed for over $ 40 that are in poor condition. (Which sold more economical are illegal sale 4 or $ 5)


1 PIC:

FELIPE III.
These tend to be silver out sometimes in good condition.
LEGEND.
front: AR and half the king's face looking left
back: BARCINO CIVITAS (undated).
others are characterized by presenting the neck twisting.
I know the dates so far are:
1611-1612-1613-1614-1615-1616-1617-1618


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2 PIC

FELIPE IV
LEGEND.
front: AR and half the king's face looking left
Reverse: CIVITAS BARCINO (date).
Early ARDITES of Philip IV also had curly neck, as you can see here ARDITES in 1624.
The dates that I know so far are:
1624-1625-1626-1627-1628-1629-1630-1631-1632-1633-1634-1635-1636-1637-1640-1653-1654-1655-1661.
The most common are 1654 and 1653 and 1655.

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3 PIC:

LOUIS XIV
France king and Catalonia king.( Independece Catalan wars in Spain 17th Century )
1644-1647-1648:

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4 PIC:

CARLOS III WOOER

many have spoken of these ARDITES, which really are counterstamps previous currency, specifically ARDITES of Philip IV and III.
The ARDITES of Charles III "The Pretender" are counterstamps. ARDITES were collected before Philip IV (and III), usually the most common, that is 1653-54 and 55, and reseal top.
It left two central circles where normally you can see the previous ARDITES, the coat of Barcelona (or part thereof) and partially the bust with A and R.

What you see in the central circles are not counterstamps, but the opposite, part of the original currency. The override is the outline of the coin where you can read: 2 Di, B, ANNO, and year of the override, apart from some pretty ornaments.
of all the most common is 1709.

DATES: 1700-1701 1707-1708 -1709-1710-1711
1700: 1709:
1710:1711:

 

[HISPAN]

I forgot .... wellcome to T. NET family!

 

[numpty]

Wow! thanks for the info I had been scratching my head searching the internet looking for date, king etc. and all I needed to do was ask here.
Great info thanks again Hispan and good luck.