1715 ring?

[Bigcypresshunter]

This 23K monogramed gold ring is not mine but I am curious about it. It was found near Vero Beach at a known 1715 shipwreck location after hurricane Francis. I am curious because I also found some unidentified items near Vero after those infamous 2004 hurricanes, Francis and Jeanne..

Any thoughts as to dating this ring? I have my own idea but I want to hear what others think. Thanks.




It was sold on eBay. http://cgi.ebay.com/Not-Coin-1715-S...80799006?pt=US_Fine_Rings&hash=item20b54ee11e

It was also posted here. http://treasurebeachesreport.blogspot.com/search?updated-max=2010-11-27T08:10:00-08:00&max-results=7

Here is the eBay sale description...

 

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[Bigcypresshunter]

I didnt realize I could pull up the entire old eBay description. Here it is. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...Rings&rt=nc&si=KFsYic8oirFxW5iyLNk4NYagMlU%3D

 

[ANTIQUARIAN]

In my opinion this ring looks to date to the mid 19th century.
I purchased a very similar one for my daughter, but in a much
smaller size of course.

Hers dates to about 1870 with a very similar font.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

In my opinion this ring looks to date to the mid 19th century.
I purchased a very similar one for my daughter, but in a much
smaller size of course.

Hers dates to about 1870 with a very similar font.

Thanks for posting your opinion Antiquarian.

 

[Iron Patch]

I give it as much chance as a certain Rev War hat badge. It's still a nice ring though.

 

[ANTIQUARIAN]

In my opinion this ring looks to date to the mid 19th century.
I purchased a very similar one for my daughter, but in a much
smaller size of course.

Hers dates to about 1870 with a very similar font.

Thanks for posting your opinion Antiquarian.

You're welcome buddy!

I saw you sold it for $330 on eBay, that's not too bad. What's too bad is that you paid $400 for it.
I think the story that you told about it's discovery helped it reach that price.
Live and learn though eh?!

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

I saw you sold it for $330 on eBay, that's not too bad. What's too bad is that you paid $400 for it.
I think the story that you told about it's discovery helped it reach that price.
Live and learn though eh?!

Its not my ring. I didnt find it or sell it.

ADDED: Im just trying to ID it. Sorry if I didnt explain it well..

 

[CRUSADER]

Nothing about it screams 18th C.

 

[Silver Searcher]

The ring looks as if it has a high copper content more like a Rose Gold

SS

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

I give it as much chance as a certain Rev War hat badge. It's still a nice ring though.

Nothing about it screams 18th C.

Thanks for posting. . Thats what I thought. I think its mid-19th C. It still may have historical significance because no one lived on those beaches in the mid 19th century, I think its either from a shipwreck or possibly from Fort Vinton, which was abandoned by 1850. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort_Vinton http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~flslchs/vinton.htm
I found other items in the area making believe this may be near the location of the failed colony. I had a list of colonists from the 1850 Indian River census but I cant find it to compare initials. There were only about 100 people living at the fort, mostly soldiers.

Can you tell me when these monogramed rings were popular? Does 20-23K mean that its homemade? Is this considered "Old English" script?
What are the letters? JCR or TCR? ...or FCR?

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

The ring looks as if it has a high copper content more like a Rose Gold

SS

Is this considered high? Thanks for posting. It tested 23K. Do you think the test results are wrong?

 

[testing123]

From what I've been told, the last name initial is actually in the center, so I think the person's initials could be TRC (or whatever the first letter is).

 

[Silver Searcher]

The ring looks as if it has a high copper content more like a Rose Gold

SS

Is this considered high? Thanks for posting. It tested 23K. Do you think the test results are wrong?

Although the names are often used interchangeably, the difference between red, rose, and pink gold is the copper content – the higher the copper content, the stronger the red coloration. A common alloy for rose gold is 75% gold and 25% copper by mass (18 karat). Since rose gold is an alloy, there is no such thing as "pure rose gold".

A common formulation for red gold is 50% gold and 50% copper. I would have thought 23k would be a deep buttery yellow, p:

The first leter also looks like a Capital T, the script is not Old English(Black Letter)...

SS

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

The ring looks as if it has a high copper content more like a Rose Gold

SS

Is this considered high? Thanks for posting. It tested 23K. Do you think the test results are wrong?

Although the names are often used interchangeably, the difference between red, rose, and pink gold is the copper content – the higher the copper content, the stronger the red coloration. A common alloy for rose gold is 75% gold and 25% copper by mass (18 karat). Since rose gold is an alloy, there is no such thing as "pure rose gold".

A common formulation for red gold is 50% gold and 50% copper. I would have thought 23k would be a deep buttery yellow, p:

The first leter also looks like a Capital T, the script is not Old English(Black Letter)...

SS

Looking at it again, I agree the color is not buttery yellow. Pictures can be deceiving and the color may be off. I have to assume the 20-23K testing results are accurate since this man's reputation on eBay is at stake and it is not a high copper content alloy.
He has a perfect feedback rating with 8289 sales http://myworld.ebay.com/raremeteorites!/


Do you really think its "Black Letter" script? Wouldnt that make it older and possible 1715 fleet? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackletter Were monograms common in 1715?

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

From what I've been told, the last name initial is actually in the center, so I think the person's initials could be TRC (or whatever the first letter is).

Thanks.

 

[ANTIQUARIAN]

I saw you sold it for $330 on eBay, that's not too bad. What's too bad is that you paid $400 for it.
I think the story that you told about it's discovery helped it reach that price.
Live and learn though eh?!

Its not my ring. I didn't find it or sell it.

ADDED: I'm just trying to ID it. Sorry if I didn't explain it well..

Sorry about that, I guess I read the article over too quickly.

 

[dg39]

Just noticed the post. From dealing in jewelry for 30+ years. Your ring appears to be 1950+ style signet ring. Normally worn on small finger or pinkie ring.. If I am not mistaken, it also appears to have been resized from the photo of the shank.
But I realize my opinion is one of many..
DG

 

[allen]

I dont think its that old, maybe 1920s to 30s.
But like ive said before, im never right.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Just noticed the post. From dealing in jewelry for 30+ years. Your ring appears to be 1950+ style signet ring. Normally worn on small finger or pinkie ring.. If I am not mistaken, it also appears to have been resized from the photo of the shank.
But I realize my opinion is one of many..
DG

Is it not unusual to be unmarked 20-23K?

 

[turtlefoot13]

Just noticed the post. From dealing in jewelry for 30+ years. Your ring appears to be 1950+ style signet ring. Normally worn on small finger or pinkie ring.. If I am not mistaken, it also appears to have been resized from the photo of the shank.
But I realize my opinion is one of many..
DG

Is it not unusual to be unmarked 20-23K?

I broke my wedding ring at work three times. After the second fix, the karat marking was long gone. There is no markings on the inside at all now and mine was purchased in 1998.

I'm not talking about the ring you posted at all since I know nothing about jewelry. I'm just trying to throw out a possibility as to why there is no marking, especially if the whole shank had to be replaced.