✅ SOLVED 18th C Admiral Button?

[CRUSADER]

Hi,

Got this today, but don't have the right books to look it up. I think its a very rare Admiral's Button?
1 piece, copper & silver plated, 24mm.

 

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[ironhorse]

Is there any signs of a backmark?

 

[Kray Gelder]

I did some looking, and I'm agreeing with the late 18th century. I couldn't find the exact match, but the wreath and anchor without the crown added above the anchor was worn by Royal Flag rank. The crown was added soon after 1800, I believe. Super find! There just weren't that many Admirals walking around back then.

 

[G.A.P.metal]

It`s not pictured in Tice`s book... "Uniform Buttons of the United States 1776-1865"
Gary

 

[CRUSADER]

Is there any signs of a backmark?

Nope. Just the usual 18th C loop/shank.

 

[CRUSADER]

It`s not pictured in Tice`s book... "Uniform Buttons of the United States 1776-1865"
Gary

Thanks for looking. I think its a RARE one!

 

[CRUSADER]

I did some looking, and I'm agreeing with the late 18th century. I couldn't find the exact match, but the wreath and anchor without the crown added above the anchor was worn by Royal Flag rank. The crown was added soon after 1800, I believe. Super find! There just weren't that many Admirals walking around back then.

The Crown was added in 1812 I believe, so the date range should be 1787-1812.

 

[DCMatt]

I can't find any pics but found this comment on the Colchester Treasure Hunting page:

In 1774 a fouled anchor, plain edge or surrounded by rope edging, took the place of the Rose and in 1787, the same design, with the addition of a wreath of laurel leaves, was adopted for the Admirals.

 

[CRUSADER]

I can't find any pics but found this comment on the Colchester Treasure Hunting page:

Yeap, thats all I found, but I emailed the contact on that page, so fingers crossed Tim replies.

 

[Red-Coat]

Fantastic button, Crusader.

Surprisingly (to me at least) there were 14 people who attained the rank of Admiral before 1787 and were still alive in 1787, plus another 130 who attained that rank between the years 1787 and 1812. Those numbers exclude the ranks of Rear Admiral, Vice Admiral and Admiral of the Fleet unless the officer concerned also gained the rank of full Admiral.

 

[cmthunder]

Sweet button Crusader. Admiral button is fantastic.

 

[MCollett]

Beautiful button. And being so few Admirals in that time period, you may be able to narrow down who would have worn it and lived in or around that area. Pretty frickin cool!

 

[CRUSADER]

Beautiful button. And being so few Admirals in that time period, you may be able to narrow down who would have worn it and lived in or around that area. Pretty frickin cool!

Hopefully, 'if' I get a narrower date, I will start that process.

 

[JamieD]

I’m really not a button expert at all but these fit the description of the fouled anchor with rope edge and wreath and without crown and they definitely belonged to an admiral in the right time period!

https://www.rmg.co.uk/discover/explore/admiral-lord-nelson (Scroll down for picture of the coat Nelson wore at Trafalgar)

And here are some restamps from historic dies

https://www.ecsnaith.com/special-edition-lord-admiral-nelson-buttons.html

They have a similar, not identical, design to yours but very different construction. However I’m not familiar enough with buttons to know if there would be multiple sets with different styles for different occasions...

 

[CRUSADER]

'Commissioner of the Navy' Button