5 little points

[larson1951]

I have quite a few of these
it would take too long to find most of them
I thought I would post a few of them which were made from various materials
I tried to pick out some of the nicer examples rather than just concentrating on size
2nd picture top row agate,agate,chert(tongue river silicified sediment
2nd picture bottom row Knife River Flint,Red Jasper

 

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[JUNKYARD DOG]

sweet little points, I haven't found a bird point yet, would be pretty hard in the creeks i hunt, i will have to wait until i can get back in the fields. Thanks for sharing.... JYD....

 

[uniface]

Super !

 

[quito]

We don't call them bird points out here Junkyarddog,javascript:void(0); the natives used those bad boys on everything, buffalo included.

Joel

 

[Americus]

Super nice finds. Thanks for sharing.

 

[larson1951]

Yes Quito, these points were used on Bison, Elk, Deer, Mountain Lion, Bear, Turkey, and all kinds of stuff

I wonder why people every where call them bird points, people around here call them bird points also

Can you imagine trying to shoot and bring home a bird "here honey, I got this for us , lets have supper"

I am not making fun of you JYD, Everyone calls them bird points, I just cannot figure out why
does any one out there know?

 

[Tnmountains]

Yes Quito, these points were used on Bison, Elk, Deer, Mountain Lion, Bear, Turkey, and all kinds of stuff

I wonder why people every where call them bird points, people around here call them bird points also

Can you imagine trying to shoot and bring home a bird "here honey, I got this for us , lets have supper"

I am not making fun of you JYD, Everyone calls them bird points, I just cannot figure out why
does any one out there know?

Its just a mis nomer(sp) old school thinking on bird points because they are so small.Everyone still calls them bird points. They are the true arrow heads though. I have not see any that small. I value them as much as the larger knifes because of their use.
Nice finds Larson.
TnMtns

 

[latrans]

I don't know about the bird point thing but I'd be curious to see the archery setup that used those tiny points and how they overcame the problems of arrow spine and balance that would arise from shooting such light-weight points.

 

[larson1951]

latrans, I know the bows were 3 feet or less in length
the arrows were very short also

 

[blindpig]

Hay there Larson , heres 27 points on a play'n card ,... these are a bit smaller then average size that I use to find , but not by much ? I think "arrow -flight" would have more to do with shaft weight ,.. the "head" is "just" to cut a hole ? I have read somewhere that the Indians [on horse back ] would/could sink there arrows up to the fleching ,... short arrows as larson said ??

Anyway thanks again for share'n with us there Larson ,.... Blindpig

 

[larson1951]

hey Blindy, Thanks for the picture
if you get a better focused one please post it, those are cool points
I agree with your thoughts on these
some day when I can make it to Fort Yates on the Standing Rock res I will get a picture of a real bow and one real arrow
I believe they are displayed in the basement of one of the churches there

 

[ohio]

Yup those are tiny. I would love to see how they were hafted.......and knapped for that matter.
Chuck

 

[RGINN]

Larson1951 you find the smallest things! I hung out with a bunch of old timers a long time ago and they explained all that to me. (Quite wrongly, too) Anyway, smaller points were used for birds. Spear points or what are actually knife blades, were used for buffalo. (Ok, bison) It was the 'big bait, big fish' theory, I guess. It was hard for them to imagine something that small taking down an animal bigger than their cows. The large triangular points, which were probably dart points, were 'war points'. One of my Grandpas, who probably should have known all about the whole deal, told me they were all arrowheads. He also told me that a point would be mounted so it stood vertical when the arrow was knocked for hunting game, to penetrate the ribs. It would be mounted so it lay horizontal for shooting at humans, to penetrate the ribs. So there's some folklore amongst the Native Americans, too. I have also heard the small points were used by a now extinct race of little people. I listen to all ideas and respect all beliefs. Buffalo hide is very tough. A small point will penetrate better. They don't drop dead right there. If you hit a lung, you already have them on a dead run, it won't be long till they run themselves dead.

 

[blindpig]

Here you go there Larson ,....
They seemed to like to use quartz crystals around here , many of my smaller points are made from them . I have found these crystals in various stages of being worked . I have read/herd from a few sources that locally [S.D. county CA.] that the Native Americans liked to use these crystals becouse they believed they held powers /magic/lighting ?? ,... anyway this could explain why they used these crystals, as I would think they really are but a poor choice of lithic material to use ,... look good though?
The little obsidian one just to the right of the dime is a drill ,.. you need to put it under a loupe to appreciate how they removed the flakes,... it's like two opposing uniface tools ...? !! the two to right / above it are also drills , I believe . The point just to the left of the dime is uniface , .. maybe 5% +/- of my points are made this way . And last and the "least of 'em ,.. on the dime is my champion of "Lithic -Little",.. he only mesures up at 3/8 in.

Thanks for ask'n there Larson , joel

 

[Atlantis0077]

Nice little birdies there...

Happy Huntin,

Atlantis