A challenging Draped Bust Large Cent

Don in SJ

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Since yesterday was a Sunday and the day before deer season here, I wanted to get in another hunt before the end of the year in the woods and took the opportunity to visit a site that on two previous hunts, has yielded about 10 or so Tombac type buttons, a couple pieces of shoe buckle but no coins.

The site is a very hard one to swing at and dig, had to use hand pruners to move thru the brush and briar and use the pruners also to get through the roots on the 4 measly diggable readings I got. But, finally I got my first coin from the site and it fit right in with the time frame of the occupation. which I am fairly certain is from the 1790s to the early 1800s.

The only trouble with the coin is that it is a cut in half Draped Bust Large Cent and the half with the date is not the half I found. >:( I knew that later in the day I would be spending some time trying to get a date.

I also got another tombac, and nice rusty nail/spike and a buckle or pin of an unknown use. The interesting thing about the 4 finds yesterday was that all were 8-10 inches down, which is unusual for a undisturbed homestead in the woods, usually more in the 4-8 inch range in general.

OK, so the challenge was to get a date and how do you get a date with that part of the coin missing? Well, I got out my Breen's book on Early year large cents and started looking at every variety to see if certain details matched exactly on the reverse side of my cut Draped Bust. The problem beiing I had to start with 1796 and go all the way thru to 1807, which involved 219 or more possibilities.................

After 3 hours of eye straining I narrowed the variety down to 2 or 3 possibliities and finally after doing photo comparisons felt 100% comfortable with saying the Draped Bust Large Cent I found is a 1798 over 7 Sheldon 151 variety. I have quite a few 1798 Large Cents and that variety was not amongst my previous finds, so that is a plus. (Just had the attribution verified by an expert on Large Cents, so feel good I got it correct.)

Not sure if this was my last hunt for 2010, only Mother Nature knows for sure, since I usually get out at least once or twice after Christmas and hoping to do so this year. Beach hunting is my fallback, but the temps this week along with the wind have me wimping out on that idea! :tongue3:

Here are the 4 finds as found
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The buckle or pin cleaned (actual size photo)
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The Tombac cleaned up
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1798/7 Draped Bust Large Cent
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Group shot of the cleaned finds
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Here is a link to a website showing what the coin would look like if whole. :)
http://www.largecents.net/collection/coinpics/s151.jpg

Don
 
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Great job, Don, on getting a copper at the "Playing Hard to Get Site." :laughing7: I always enjoy digging up 'ole tombac buttons. You know you are in the right Colonial zone when they are popping out. Keep getting out and finding the goods. I am living through you now....

Kirk
 
ouch! that hadda hurt pulling a half cent :laughing9: glad ya narrowed it down.i wish i could drive into a few sites here with a brush hog mower ;D
nice finds!
 
Very nice finds Don.
And that buckle is sweet! I know exactly what you are talking about when you speak of those nasty briers. I have the pricks still in my arms from 2 weeks ago. I Meant prickers. :D Wouldn't it awesome if after we found sites like that, someone could come and bush hog it for us? :D

That Tombac is in excellent condition
 
Congrats on your finds there Don! :icon_thumright:
Love the look of this old iron ring loop too!
Great "digging" to ID your LC!

Cheers,
Dave
 

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nice job on the LC ID, Don.
looking forward to seeing your year-end post!
 
A bit of a challenge to determine a Sheldon variety on a clipped/dateless Large Cent but if anyone is up to the task it would be you. I know of a woodsy type site that we can hit when the ground is frozen and it's possible we may hit it before the year is out. :thumbsup:
Chris
 
Colonial Copper Zeus said:
A bit of a challenge to determine a Sheldon variety on a clipped/dateless Large Cent but if anyone is up to the task it would be you. I know of a woodsy type site that we can hit when the ground is frozen and it's possible we may hit it before the year is out. :thumbsup:
Chris

I have quite a few that are unidentified for year that are complete coins, almost all are the Draped Bust coppers, and perhaps a few Classicheads, once the details are obscured, it gets almost impossible to date them, at least this cut one had good details on the reverse!

A nice layer of leaves and as long as it has not been completely below freezing for a very extended period of time, you should be either frozen free or maybe an inch or two, if so, here is my tool of choice for frozen ground and cutting thru roots......... :icon_thumright:


Don
 

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Great stuff Don! Amazing how you can ID a coin like that. Were gonna have a cold winter but that hammer tool looks like it will do the job :icon_thumleft:
 
Nice job on the ID of the cut Draped Bust :icon_thumleft: I dug two cut coppers this year and no date on these either.

I like your choice of hard ground/root chopping tools :headbang: I bet it works quite well.


VPR
 
I'm liking the cut copper, it has character. :icon_thumright:
 
Nice finds and half cent!! :thumbsup:
 
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Great stuff Don! Amazing how you can ID a coin like that. Were gonna have a cold winter but that hammer tool looks like it will do the job :icon_thumleft:

Those drywall hammers come with a blunt edge, I "touched up" the edge a tad. ;D No way will that solid piece of steel ever break, but they are a tad expensive nowadays, but perhaps worth it for chopping through roots and stuff.

Don
 
looky here is the buckle you dug just found this one the other day :headbang:
 

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Your abilities are second to none when it comes to coin ID! :icon_thumright:
 
You spent three hours on that? That's quite a chunk of time. Anyway congrats on the great finds...enjoy the rest of the season that's left.
 
Great ID work Don. I've never found a cut copper. Hope you can get out again this winter.
 

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