A little help ... Please

Old Dog · Apr 20, 2008

I know that I don't post in this forum too much as I don't collect Artifact's.
But I do collect pictures of monuments I have found, and thus my dilemma.

I found this face Friday while climbing, I was looking at Spanish stuff and this was among the things I found that didn't fit.

I know it isn't Spanish It is much older.
I don't think Anasazi made things like this,
and our local Utes didn't either.

Anyway, I figured you guys who study this stuff could at least have a look and give me your opinion.
Thanks very much in advance...

Thom

Airborne80 · Apr 20, 2008

Hmmmm.... I must be blind. Where is the face?

badandy · Apr 20, 2008

Took me a min. to find it, but it's there. I think it's just a natural rock formation, but I am no expert. Kinda neat no matter what it turns out to be.
badandy

Cynangyl · Apr 21, 2008

that is too cool....the tree even looks like a headress of sorts! :thumbsup:

Airborne80 · Apr 21, 2008

Ah Ha! That helped a lot

Thanks for doing that and now... I do see it. very very cool. I Will watch this thread and wait to see what others think. It sure looks like a face to me.

Neanderthal · Apr 21, 2008

Mother Nature is one of the greatest artists and that's one of her masterpieces. Not an artifact, but cool none the less.

Airborne80 · Apr 21, 2008

That area is awesome!!! What a great place to explore

schultzy141 · Apr 21, 2008

If you post this on the Treasure marks and signs forum, you might have a better chance for an answer. This is not to say someone on here would not know the answer just getting it out to more of the people that might have the answer.

Jazdo · Apr 21, 2008

Thom are there any treasure tales in this region that you know of? Who knows could be markings of some kind or check points to somethin.

The Grim Reaper · Apr 22, 2008

I believe these are all just natural rock formations and you have a very vivid imagination.

Cannonman17 · Apr 22, 2008

Yeah.. they look pretty natual to me also. If they were made on purpose there should be evidence other than it kind of looks like. Looks like a nice area to look for things though!

schultzy141 · Apr 23, 2008

I have been told by some that before the Spanish came that faces like that were to comorate a fallen chieftain or leader. Also that they would have been buried close by. Would that also make them an artifact being it is a headstone basically?

stryker-one · Apr 24, 2008

National Treasures? Why? There are whole canyons down in AZ, in the red rock country, that have naturally formed silhouettes and busts--depending on where you stand and how "ole Sol" radiates. Not to mention how much fermented grain you consume prior to staring until you see something identifiable.

Did you find any pottery shards laying around--they would be most common in that area.

They look cool, nice pictures, and I wish we had some of that sunshine.

I got to go with natural, too--best guess.

Stryker

CarolinaDigs · Apr 24, 2008

Wonderful pictures OD :thumbsup:

Here you have posted pictures of sculptures I would have likely never been able to see. I think that some look Egyptian , similar to Aztec but Egyptian also

luckyinkentucky · Apr 26, 2008

I say it's natural. Making faces in clouds. It's all wishful thinking with a good imagination. The fact of the matter is ... most Native Americans didn't have time to build 'monuments' much less carve them from stone. They were too busy worrying about basic survival. Usually the only time you see carved stone is on the small scale level such as effigy pipes, effigy bowls, etc .... or, at a ceremonial location where many people congregated for a certain religious activity. This doesn't appear to be one of those areas.

Another thing .... the Egyptians and Aztecs had slaves do their stone carving and monument building for them. There is no Archaeological evidence that Native Americans ever took slaves. As I stated earlier ... they were more worried about basic survival. Although .... you have a very active imagination.

Mother Nature created those 'carvings'.

TheHarleyMan2 · Apr 28, 2008

Old Dog said:
Just for posterity sake, and to give a better perspective of this monument.
My partner and I went back in last night and got this one so you all can see actual size.

Thom

What is your friend doing with his arm up the face's nose? :laughing7:

Just kidding.

On the rock next to it, what are those holes indentations?

SnakemanBill · Apr 28, 2008

They all look like natural formations to me.

Come on now, did you guys partake of the wildwood flower on your hike

?

Old Dog · Apr 28, 2008

I am sorry that every one who thinks they are natural formations cannot look at these in person.
Seeing them would change your mind.

Thom

Billco · Apr 28, 2008

Another thing .... the Egyptians and Aztecs had slaves do their stone carving and monument building for them. There is no Archaeological evidence that Native Americans ever took slaves. As I stated earlier ... they were more worried about basic survival. Although .... you have a very active imagination. Mother Nature created those 'carvings'.

Kentucky, I don't follow your logic. If the Ancient "monument builders" were as worried as you say about survival, they wouldn't have put slaves to work building pyramids and monuments. They would have engaged them in food production and processing, building shelter etc. Probably would have made more sense to turn them loose or kill them. Putting slaves to work building monuments would have just meant more hungry humans to feed.

People who worry about survival above everything else wouldn't have been able to stay put long enough to build monstrosities like the Pyramids at Giza. "Worrying about survival" means packing up and moving at least occasionally in search of food. Most likely the Ancients who had time to stay put for a century, were better fed, clothed and shelter than many people in this country at various times - like for example during the Great Depression when millions were unemployed, homeless and starving.

Its generally accepted today that the Egyptian pyramids were not built with slave labor. The workers were citizens who were paid, fed well, and had leisure time. The workers didn't spend their entire lives building monuments. It was probably somewhat similar to you or I joining the military, doing our time, and somebody else taking our place after our time was up. The pyramid builders probably working with a purpose and felt good about it.

When the first Europeans arrived in America they probably found people living as well as the average European, maybe better. If the Ancients in America were only worried about survival, how do you account for the mound builders? Visit Moundville in Alabama and you will change your mind.

About your assertion that Native Americans never took slaves - if there was warfare, which there was, there was slavery. To what degree and for what purpose would be the only questions.

Cannonman17 · Apr 29, 2008

I don't follow the logic in any of this post- these are natural formations that don't seem to show modification by human hands (that I can see) anywhere! I bet I could take pictures of the local sandstone rock formations around here, post them, and somebody would tell me all about the spanish treasure signs they see in them- if you feel that any of these were made there should be evidence of it other than your imagination.