Adze?

[jamus peek]

Here are a couple pics. Looks like a ground stone Adze worked from one side to the bit except the bit is angled . Learning a lot here thanks to the guys who reached out.

The bit has some chips or wear.

 

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[Treasure_Hunter]

Nothing I see says worked by man...

 

[gordonquixote]

Just a rock....

 

[jamus peek]

Nothing I see says worked by man...

Thanks for replying. On a ground stone item what man altered work are you looking for?

 

[Ohio_Doug]

The "bit has chips or wear"? That rock has no bit and is nothing more than a creek rock. Not trying to beat you up but that's a rock. Keep lookin

 

[The Grim Reaper]

Jamus, here are pictures of an Adz. An Adz is different from a Celt in the Bit will have an up slope to it and the Bit on a Celt will meet in the middle.

 

[jamus peek]

Jamus, here are pictures of an Adz. An Adz is different from a Celt in the Bit will have an up slope to it and the Bit on a Celt will meet in the middle.

Hi Grim

Thanks for the link on the tinklers very cool! I have been learnig about Adze vrs Celts. I believe an Adze is worked from one end like a chisel as opposed to being worked to the middle like an axe or celt.

Here is the backside which I thought I posted. There is a hairline crack that leads to a chip on the front end and a grinding pattern or natural type pattern in which I was curious about.It also has a shallow groove. Of course it being my find thought maybe it was a grinding pattern. lol! What does it look like to you?. Also thanks in advance for you're opinion

 

[jamus peek]

The "bit has chips or wear"? That rock has no bit and is nothing more than a creek rock. Not trying to beat you up but that's a rock. Keep lookin

Doug I don't think I have seen a post from you beating anybody up, you are simply giving you're opinion and I appreciate it very much.

 

[Tnmountains]

Once you see the workmanship in a celt you wiull have no doubt about what you have. Though I have seen some rough ones of flint. The material you have would never have been used either unless it was a large mortar and pestle. Keep looking are you finding any flint?

 

[unclemac]

wrong kind of stone too....remember that different sorts of rock were used for different purposes.

 

[Momof3]

I feel your pain / struggle! I see that kind of rock/ stone here a lot! And although it may be shaped like something Native American it's not! Know why.. Because if you bang it on another rock its gonna break and that tells me it's not a very useful resource for someone to take all their time to make long ago! Hope this helps!

 

[rock]

I feel your pain / struggle! I see that kind of rock/ stone here a lot! And although it may be shaped like something Native American it's not! Know why.. Because if you bang it on another rock its gonna break and that tells me it's not a very useful resource for someone to take all their time to make long ago! Hope this helps!

very true I have done that to when learning the types of rocks they would of used. if its thin I put it between my fingers and if it breaks I know it wasnt used. I know most of the types of rocks now by self teaching. The only thing I dont use on those types of test is pottery. pottery I will drop it in the water and see how fast it sinks. pottery will sink slower than sandstone. I have a lot of sandstone look a likes here.

 

[jamus peek]

Definitely understand wrong kind of rock. This was one item I was curious about and realized as well that they wouldn't use this rock for an adze.It seemed to have the shape though. Also looked ground down like other artifacts I have seen. The grinding leaves parallel marks and a real smooth surface. Mother nature could be the critter here.

You guys are right though there is plenty of hard blue schist as well as other material such as quartz in this creek. With this kind of help I promise I will contribute to the forum with artifacts not rocks hopefully soon. I have a quartz piece id like to show. Sorry guys and appreciate the look.

 

[jamus peek]

Once you see the workmanship in a celt you wiull have no doubt about what you have. Though I have seen some rough ones of flint. The material you have would never have been used either unless it was a large mortar and pestle. Keep looking are you finding any flint?

Hi Tn yes I find Red Franciscan heat treated flakes also some basalt. I also only hunt where I find mortars. Almost all sites here have mortars. Thanks for the reply.

 

[jamus peek]

I feel your pain / struggle! I see that kind of rock/ stone here a lot! And although it may be shaped like something Native American it's not! Know why.. Because if you bang it on another rock its gonna break and that tells me it's not a very useful resource for someone to take all their time to make long ago! Hope this helps!

Thanks momo. To be honest I feel no pain anymore I am being guided in the right direction and learning. It feels good. Thanks for looking.

 

[Charl]

Thanks for replying. On a ground stone item what man altered work are you looking for?

OK, jamus, this info should really help. Hardstone artifacts were fashioned in two steps. Pecking
into shape, and then grinding to a polish. If an artifact has been brought to 100% polish, the pecking marks may no longer be visible. But most times, some pecking is still going to be visible. In the first two photos, you see how an end pick was used to shape the artifact via pecking. In Photo 3 and 4, we see the head poll end of a broken full groove axe. See all the peck marks? That is what you should see most of the time. In photo 5 and 6, you see a double groove adze showing many pecking scars. Fully complete, but not brought to a polish. The last two photos show finished adzes with polish, but you can still see some of the pecking that was used to shape those tools. These are the things you look for....

 

[jamus peek]

OK, jamus, this info should really help. Hardstone artifacts were fashioned in two steps. Pecking
into shape, and then grinding to a polish. If an artifact has been brought to 100% polish, the pecking marks may no longer be visible. But most times, some pecking is still going to be visible. In the first two photos, you see how an end pick was used to shape the artifact via pecking. In Photo 3 and 4, we see the head poll end of a broken full groove axe. See all the peck marks? That is what you should see most of the time. In photo 5 and 6, you see a double groove adze showing many pecking scars. Fully complete, but not brought to a polish. The last two photos show finished adzes with polish, but you can still see some of the pecking that was used to shape those tools. These are the things you look for....

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Thanks Charl I appreciate it.