After 50 Years.....

[Dozer D]

Hey, if you could get your money back, even after getting them certified as REAL, go for it. They are two extremely good looking coins. Congrats, and I hope they grade F-EXT FINE.

 

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[PetesPockets55]

Absolutely fakes, and I'm glad others have broken the news to OP. I was afraid that would be the outcome before even viewing the images.
(I feel your pain after taking the plunge to fill those holes.)

Thank you Daniel (Coinhelp) for sticking with this thread to inform and educate.

To those of you advocating sending in to see if they are real, it is easy to spend someone else's $.
Why would anyone spend their hard earned $ to send them in to see if they'll grade when there has been a lot of info on this thread confirming they are counterfeits.

Please believe it people, these two are fakes. Just for starters, look at the thickness of the lettering on the reverse of the "1909" fake. E PLURIBUS UNUM and VDB look like balloon lettering!!

For those unfamiliar with correctly ID'ing any variety, there are "markers" that are used by the grading companies (and others) to authenticate a real one.
Some markers are the placement of the MM in relation to the date. Other "markers" include die scratches, die dots, die polishing gouges or scratches, etc.

These varieties are so scarce, the exact number of pairs of reverse and obverse dies are known.

Variety attribution is specific (like science) and not arbitrary, fake and self serving (like Twitter rants for example )

 

[Diggin-N-Dumps]

The 14-D and 31-S are faked right now as well. I actually collect Chinese fakes as it is good to have examples to go by when looking. I have the aforementioned 09-S V.D.B., 22 plain as well as a fake 14-D and 31-s. The Chinese even fake common $2 BU wheat cents.

Others that I have obtained include a fake 37-D 3 legged Buffalo nickel and two 1916-D BU Mercury dimes that were struck on the correct 90% silver planchet. These are so realistic that just subtle differences in the mint mark give them away as fakes.

I have done the exact same thing with Morgans and 1oz Silver rounds. luckily , Ive never bought any fakes from Feebay. But they are a great tool to have for testing and comparing.

I also scratched FAKE on the front of them...Mainly so that IM not confused

 

[Megalodon]

Buying a counterfeit is a learning experience. Be sure to get your money back ASAP. The first warning sign is when the price is "too good to be true"; the second is unnatural luster; the third is the lack of known diagnostic die characteristics. These coins have been faked for a long time because the demand is high for them and people like the appearance of a bargain. Sometimes, that bargain price is enough to ignore the warning signs. If you must buy them, only consider certified examples from long-established reputable coin dealers.

One of the appeals of metal detecting is the possibility of finding rare coins that are almost always genuine (though fakes have been dug up too...).

 

[AU24K]

The seller was aghast that they might be fake.
I took them back and offered to pay half of the cost for certification.
They are considering my offer.....

Regardless of the results of certification, I'm in the "driver's seat."
If they come back as "Genuine," I'm only out half of the certification fee and gain the value of being certified.
If they come back as fake, I wash my hands of the purchase price and the cost of certification fees.
I see it as a "Win, Lose, Win" proposition.
Dig?

Scott

 

[Holt0222]

Not sure on how the market is for counterfeit coins but if they do come back as fakes might still want to see about purchasing to sell as a high quality counterfeit.

 

[CoinHELP!]

It is illegal to create or sell these coins since they do not have COPY on them. Check the Hobbies Protection Act and the recent changes in the laws in regard to fake and counterfeit coins.

 

[Mackaydon]

Coin HELP,
So true !!
And the Hobby Protection Act also describes-- in detail --the specifications of how the word COPY must be displayed.
Don..

 

[Kantuckkeean]

Thank you all for your input on this thread. I have what I suspect is a counterfeit 1992 quarter. It weighs something like 4.1 grams, the reeds don’t line up properly, and it is slightly magnetic. I was thinking of sending it off, but was told that it would come back in a “body bag”. I was considering selling it as a fake, so now I’ know to look into the laws first.

Kindest regards,
Kantuck

 

[Holt0222]

Does that mean that counterfeit coins now can’t be sold period, even if it’s described as a counterfeit.