🥇 BANNER AMAZINGLY rare variety 1652 Oak Tree Threepence - Find of a lifetime!!!

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Wow. I've been preparing to write this since I found the coin, but I couldn't even concentrate enough to get my thoughts down, let anyone perform my professional or family duties. Let me set this up a little first though. During the course of the past few years, it has become an obsession for me to ponder the infinitesimal probability of finding of a MA tree coin on every property, park, beach, foundation or town square I drive by. When I saw Abe's incredible pine tree shilling a while back, the possibility seemed somehow more real. Here was a guy in what used to be part of Massachusetts, a guy who puts so much effort into his research and traveling to remote locations in search of old dirt, and he found one. Maybe, just maybe, I could find one too. But usually after five more hours in a field with nothing but a couple shotgun headstamps and some melted lead to show for it, the hope seemed to dim just a little more each day. You can tell this is going to be a long post, can't you...
Then came yesterday afternoon - my second day on a new permission, a smallish field that had an original late 17th/early 18th century home nearby. I had seen it last year, but only got up the nerve to ask permission last week when I was getting very discouraged at my usual spots. I hunted three hours the first day and man, what a letdown. I lost track of how many mangled aluminum cans and pulltabs I unearthed. No shoe buckles, no harmonica reeds, no buttons, not even many square nails, and basically no hope. Then I decided to move to a different smaller field and got a toasted large cent in the path that connected the two fields. I was a little more upbeat then, but could manage nothing else but some more garbage.
I came back yesterday though, because the large cent had stoked the fire just enough. I couldn't write this place off after one day, could I? Well, yesterday was pretty much a carbon copy of the first day. Found a bunch of modern junk, then popped what looks like a toasted KGII from a grassy slope adjacent to a stone wall on the high side of the field. Hmm.... Two coppers in 5 hours... but then two more hours of nothing. I realized what time it was and I had to go home and start making dinner for the kids, so I figured I'd swing by the spot I nabbed the copper and head from there to the car. Yup, the ol' trip to the car story! Sure enough, 20 feet into the corn stalks, I had what rang up at 69 on the Deus. Pretty much figured it was a pulltab, and I was pretty beat from two days of yardwork, but you know how you dig it all when you're on the way to the car? I took one shovelful and it was not in the hole. The pinpointer said it was in the dirt, but I couldn't find it. Then I had something round and SMALL in my palm, so I figured it was part of a beavertail. I picked it up and wiped off some dirt off one edge. The dirt was fairly hard to remove, but I thought I saw and N and an E. I thought, could it be? NO way, don't get your hopes up, so I turn it over and give it a soft, spit-laden wipe. Do I see branches? I DO! Wait, these are NOT pine tree branches... What the heck do the other branches on the MA silver coins look like? I couldn't remember because I thought if I ever found a tree coin, it would be the most common variety of pine tree. By this point I'm shaking, I'm down on one knee, resting the coin on my thigh, trying not to die of excitement. I let out a couple loud "YES! I finally did it!" yells, then got back to absorbing the enormity of the moment. I had to go grocery shopping, do all the dishes and that kind of stuff, so I had to wait until tonight to make sure I had my thoughts together. Here's the proof! Sorry the pics are screenshots - hard to remove GPS info on my laptop...
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Now comes the BEST part - I got home with the coin and tried to figure out what exactly I had found, but I couldn't find any examples anywhere on any website. I thought that might be good, that it might be rare or super rare, but maybe that was my imagination running away with me again. Then my wife sends me to the grocery story so the kids will have something to eat at school. So there I am, last night in the cereal aisle at Stop and Shop, texting Abe pictures of my coin and asking if he can help with an ID and variety. Like the amazing guy he is, he says he will look it up today for me. I never expected what he would text me though. He said he found it in his book, that it is an NOE 26, 4-A.2 Oak Tree, and there are likely BETWEEN 5-8 OF THESE KNOWN!!! Are you kidding me!!!
Oaktreeinfo.webpI just found one of the rarest freaking coins in the United States!!! I ran downstairs and told my wife to get off the treadmill and tell me who her daddy is. Then I called Abe, who allowed me to go on like a schoolgirl about the find (he encouraged it, actually) and he expressed the most sincere happiness for my find. What a guy. Here's to you, buddy. Sorry for the super long post, friends. I never thought I'd get this opportunity.
Best of luck to everyone. I can't express enough thanks to everyone on T-net for reading, and to whatever force miraculously led my coil over this coin!

Jeff
 

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HI Jeff; With a coin like that your right in that condition is not an overall deciding value factor but I believe it is worth much more than a few thousand. The only way to truly get a grasp on it's value is to first have it Certified. There is no other way. Besides, a coin like that deserves to be Certified as well. Having it Certified will properly protect the coin from any damage and or possible theft. They keep a Photographic and Numeric Record of your find should it ever be stolen ok. I wish you the best. PEACE:RONB
Totally disagree. To those that buy these & know what they are doing, a photo is enough & no unnecessary expensive is needed to certify it & in an auction where they can pre-handle it, it will met market price. No idea why you think it needs certifying???
 

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HI Jeff; With a coin like that your right in that condition is not an overall deciding value factor but I believe it is worth much more than a few thousand. The only way to truly get a grasp on it's value is to first have it Certified. There is no other way. Besides, a coin like that deserves to be Certified as well. Having it Certified will properly protect the coin from any damage and or possible theft. They keep a Photographic and Numeric Record of your find should it ever be stolen ok. I wish you the best. PEACE:RONB


This picture is plenty enough for me to bid.
 

No words but a HUGE CONGRATULATIONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

Great Bleep ing find brother!!! So sick!! If kill for that!! Cheers, from Massachusetts lol. It literally hurts everytime I see someone else pull a tree coin out. Lucky ducky
 

Totally disagree. To those that buy these & know what they are doing, a photo is enough & no unnecessary expensive is needed to certify it & in an auction where they can pre-handle it, it will met market price. No idea why you think it needs certifying???

I respectfully disagree with you Crusader. Grading coins hasn't caught on in Europe or the UK, but it really is the way to get the best price when selling coins in the United States. No doubt about it.

Furthermore, grading it means that there will be a record of how many exist, and if it gets stolen or lost there will be little hope for the thief to ever resell it. Absolutely get it graded, both to make a record and to get the best result should you decide to sell it!
 

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Dude, you're going to Disney! Awesome!
 

Congrats on the amazing find. :occasion14: It's a day later and I bet you're still stoked. :headbang: I dream of digging any coin from the 1600's.
 

That is so awesome.

Hate to think how the person felt who lost it since it appears they were wearing this irreplaceable coin as a pendant/necklace? Who in the world would have drilled a hole in it to begin with?

Keep your feet on the ground until it's certified.

What a find!

Holes in coin of this period are very common. Sometimes they were sown into clothes for safety whilst travelling. It's not normally anything to do with making a pendant.
 

True enough AARC and IP. It's a weird no man's land after you make the find where you're not even really processing the signals and you're only still hunting cause you feel it's your duty in a way. Counterintuitive really, because you'd think you'd be chomping at the bit, hungry for more but it doesn't work that way, at least for me.


Yes, it's something that has to be experienced to know, because it seems to make much more sense for it to motivate a person to hunt much more, and not quit. I think the only exception would be is if you suspected there was more... like you found a few coins and thought it was part of a cache. There would be no thoughts of quitting then!
 

I don't care if I'm coming late on this one. This is the best individual find I have seen here .
 

Hard to say the value, I think. The good ones have gone for as much as 20K, but this is a fairly beat-up example. Plus, it was not a clean press in the first place. One side is much better than the other on both sides. However, I think condition matters less on a rare coin. I think a few thousand is likely, hard to say how many thousand, and depends how bad someone wants one!


I think you have it right, except for condition mattering less on a rare coin. It's still extremely important, and you basically just stated why.... a good example going for 20k, and condition issues probably taking over 15k or more off your coin.

I'd first start by finding as many sales for this variety as I could, paying attention to the condition, price, and the time of the sale. In addition, I'd also look at other MA silver coin sales that were similar in condition and rarity. At the end of the day you just have to be confident in a ball park figure, and you put it out there in the high range of that amount, or even a bit more, and see who bites. (A high start auction would be ideal)

Would I sell that coin for what it would bring.... zero chance!
 

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Yes, it's something that has to be experienced to know, because it seems to make much more sense for it to motivate a person to hunt much more, and not quit. I think the only exception would be is if you suspected there was more... like you found a few coins and thought it was part of a cache. There would be no thoughts of quitting then!

Cru'Dad & I experience this often. If early on in the hunt you find what you know to be a very rare coin, but your not sure what it will really turn out to be when you get home to the books, then your mind takes you home with the coin & you end up finishing early because you have done a good job that day already. As we grid whole fields etc, coming back the next day is always an option anyway, so will pick up other stuff on the return.
 

Cru'Dad & I experience this often. If early on in the hunt you find what you know to be a very rare coin, but your not sure what it will really turn out to be when you get home to the books, then your mind takes you home with the coin & you end up finishing early because you have done a good job that day already. As we grid whole fields etc, coming back the next day is always an option anyway, so will pick up other stuff on the return.


That was more a case for me many years ago when I was not really aware of what I was finding. There's nowhere near the variety here, obviously, so it would be very unusual for me to find something which I felt was very good, just didn't know how good. The only recent one that comes to mind is the 24th officer button I dug a couple of years ago. The Rev War period and 1812 are very close, so even though I felt I did have an early one by the design, I wasn't 100% until I got home to look at the book. I actually wish it would happen more because it's nice going home with something with high hopes, and often times it does work out in your favor.
 

Holes in coin of this period are very common. Sometimes they were sown into clothes for safety whilst travelling. It's not normally anything to do with making a pendant.

That's great to hear, I didn't know that. No one could write a story this good.
 

Lost Treasure magazine should pay you to put this picture of you and the coin on the cover of one of their issues. I know if I walked by the magazine stand and saw it, I'd for sure have to see what in the heck is this guy all stoked about? Definitely a shot that would get those new metal detectors flying off the shelf.
 

Absolutely speechless. This is what all of us are doing out there, every little patch of dirt and grass and field and beach, hoping for the find of a lifetime. A true treasure, the best I've ever seen on any site. I can't even imagine. Congratulations!
 

Hi everyone, my hair is one end reading these posts. I still can't comprehend that I was the guy to find this. I am blessed, and I am so grateful that all of you have taken the time to share your feelings on this. Truly overwhelming.
 

Hi everyone, my hair is one end reading these posts. I still can't comprehend that I was the guy to find this. I am blessed, and I am so grateful that all of you have taken the time to share your feelings on this. Truly overwhelming.


Just enjoy your moment in the sun because at some point the high will change to contentment and satisfaction, and you'll feel the need to have to chase it again!
 

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