Another early latten spoon bowl with makers mark recovered yesterday

Bill D. (VA)

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Another early latten spoon bowl with maker's mark recovered yesterday

Although my partner Dan was a little under the weather yesterday morning, we eventually made it out for a bit and decided to revisit the 1600s site we hit the prior weekend. We initially did some significant digging in an area where we had discovered a large amount of brick and charcoal near the end of the last hunt. But after a lot of work it did not appear this feature was the trash pit or foundation we were hoping for. Had to be some kind of a large burn pit, although there were no traces of pottery, glass, bone, etc. Just a lot of small iron. We decided to finally give up on that spot and to do some more surface hunting and expand on where we left off last time. But as was the case previously, the finds were few and far between. My meager recoveries included a large, common bridal rosette, a pot leg, a marked pewter button, a 1600s buckle, and a few other odds and ends. But in my opinion the best find was another marked latten spoon bowl. Dan had found a similar one last time, but with a different mark. I love finding these crude fig-shaped bowls, but it's a shame we can't ID the maker's marks on these. But we do know for a fact they date to the 17th century. The heavy iron at this site seems to be spread out over a very large area, so we still need to go back and make sure we haven't missed anything. But our gut feeling is that the site has been hit hard by others over the years, especially due to the fact that it's obscured from view and it would be easy to sneak in there without permission. However, as always, we have solid permission from the owner which is the only way we do business. Dan also made some nice finds which he'll hopefully post soon. These included part of a jews harp apparently crafted from iron which is the first time I've seen that. It's included with the pic of my finds as Dan left it with me to clean up for him. Hopefully he'll get his new electrolysis setup going soon as my battery charger has been working overtime for weeks ..... LOL! And Dan - please don't say a word about my new poncho look!!

UPDATE: See my reply down below with a more detailed close-up of the mark as well as a comparison to the one Dan dug at the same site.
 

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Well, everyday can't be rainbows, and lolly pops. You got out, had opportunity, and didn't get skunked.
I believe I got that exact same small buckle recently.
If the iron patch is large there can always be another good target there.
 

Great finds for sure ! I love the spoon bowl and the tiny buckle - and to think , I get excited when I find a wheat penny ?
 

That makers mark looks like a fluer de lis. Maybe it's a french piece? Is it possible to dig a test trench through the iron patch to see if there are any other pieces lurking below the range of the MDer.
ZDD
 

Is the makers mark somewhat similar to one on Dan's spoon? They both have a clover look.

I wouldn't give up on that spot Bill. I may give up some more oldies!
 

That makers mark looks like a fluer de lis. Maybe it's a french piece? Is it possible to dig a test trench through the iron patch to see if there are any other pieces lurking below the range of the MDer.
ZDD

Dave - I thought that mark resembled a fleur-de-lis too, but it's not an exact match for that by any means. Here's a better close-up that shows 3 lobes plus what appears to be a crown at the top. It's similar to the one Dan dug at this site last weekend, but it's has plenty of differences (see comparison below). This iron patch is probably 500 ft x 300 ft so its way too big to try and dig any random test trenches. But we always pursue any deep iron signals to see if a trash pit is present. That's how I found that one spot with all the brick and black soil. I don't think this site will produce much more, but we're not giving up on it by any means.

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That is beyond cool !
 

Hey I was not going to say a word about Mr. Penguin!

I will say this - I have not had this much fun digging a meager signal site in a long time. While we have not produced the 20+ buttons, I would almost rather hit an early site like this as for the most part any target we have recovered in that little area has been OLD.

Looking forward to the next one!

HH

Dan
 

Nice early finds Bill. The silver is right around the corner. Cant wait for the next post. Get after it because that huge display is not going to fill itself!
 

Wow Bill ... Very nice finds...I love those old spoons..I have a few myself from 1600 sites...2 have Maker's marks but I never got them identified...that buckle dates from 1500_1650 sweet oldies..I enjoy seeing them ......Congrats Brian W
 

Wow Bill ... Very nice finds...I love those old spoons..I have a few myself from 1600 sites...2 have Maker's marks but I never got them identified...that buckle dates from 1500_1650 sweet oldies..I enjoy seeing them ......Congrats Brian W

Thanks Brian. Post your 2 maker's marks and maybe I can help ID them.
 

Bill:


I real enjoy finding latten seal spoons as well. They are so different in shape and style than all other spoons to follow. They're about the oldest English artifacts that can be found. Seal spoon fragments are the best indicators of a 17th Century site. A member of my detecting club found a complete latten cone knop spoon from the 17th Century. It still had silver-wash on it. How crazy it that?

Have you considered a possible link between the spoon's marking and the following insignia?

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Prince of Wales

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Arms of the Kingdom of France

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I happened to find a small lead seal with a similar design at a 17th Century sites earlier this year.

Good Luck & Good Hunting!
 

Not trying to highjack your thread ..But I didn't know where else to put them...The one is no hope...its there but warn away.. the other has a chance The whole one minus the seal, still has a bit of silver on it but its hard to get in the pic.makers mark.webpmark2.webpwhole spoon.webp3spoons.webp
 

I thought I had already posted - but I didnt
Love finding those - even if its just pieces - I get excited because any buttons or coins found there
could have good potential of being just as old
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Not trying to highjack your thread ..But I didn't know where else to put them...The one is no hope...its there but warn away.. the other has a chance The whole one minus the seal, still has a bit of silver on it but its hard to get in the pic.View attachment 886341View attachment 886342View attachment 886343View attachment 886345

Those are some great examples Brian - thanks for posting those. What state did they come from? What other early artifacts were you able to dig from that site?
 

Bill:


I real enjoy finding latten seal spoons as well. They are so different in shape and style than all other spoons to follow. They're about the oldest English artifacts that can be found. Seal spoon fragments are the best indicators of a 17th Century site. A member of my detecting club found a complete latten cone knop spoon from the 17th Century. It still had silver-wash on it. How crazy it that?

Have you considered a possible link between the spoon's marking and the following insignia?

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Prince of Wales

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Arms of the Kingdom of France

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I happened to find a small lead seal with a similar design at a 17th Century sites earlier this year.

Good Luck & Good Hunting!

Thanks for the input Jim. Some of those crests have similarities to the mark on my spoon, but I think Casper came close to hitting the nail on the head as you can see from his post and my reply below. And that's unbelievable your buddy found a whole latten spoon intact. I've never come close to that - just a few bowls and stem ends. Do you have a pic of that spoon you can post?
 

Thanks again Bill...I am from Massachusetts...I have found a lot of nice oldies from these sites.. from Complete Shoe buckles.. 1600's coins, and a few things I don't have a clue on lol.
 

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