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Rob in KS

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I found this while digging and sifting an old foundation on my farm. It was only 2 inches down. It was barely below the rotted leaves, so it hadn't been there long. There was a lot of modern trash, some square nails, and 20th century pottery. I think it was found by kids who lived here in the 70's and lost again. I also found 1/2 of a clay marble nearby. McPherson county Kansas, about 90 miles north of Wichita. Any comments would be appreciated
 

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Nice little scraper! Form the flaking it looks to be palep to me. I love the uniface scrapers. I'd start looking all over my farm if I was you. Is there an ancient water sorce near by?
badandy
 
Thanks Andy,
My wife was just saying that it has a "rose" shade to the stone. Looks tan to me. The first pic has the color about right , the next 2 are a bit dark. The stone is a bit unusual for this part of the state. I have found a few pieces of flint while metal detecting but this my first artifact.
There is a creek about 1/2 mile north. It has had running water even in summer for the 10 years. This year was really hot and dry and the flow stopped. When I'm at the creek, I'm always looking but not finding.

Thanks a bunch
rob
 
That's o.k., just dont stop looking in that creek. They are there, just have to wash up.
badandy
 
Andy, Across the road there is another creek. An old farmer (in his 80's) told me that his dad had a sandpit there. They dig into the slope ( its only a hill by Kansas standards) to mine sand. Probably dug 15 or 20 feet off the slope. He said that they found a skeleton of a woman. She was taken to the museum in Mcpherson. I'm going there tommorrow. The farmer was the greatuncle of the kids who grew up here in the 70's. I wonder if thats where it came from. Wow if its paleo, that is toooooo cool.

If I learn anything tommorrow I'll post it.
Thanks
Rob
 
I saw a similar shaped one a while back and the guy called it a Turtle Scraper, not for scraping turtles but for the shape. His though was a bit rounder on the top.
 
Yeah, nice uniface. Use wear analysis on these has shown though that the term scraper isn't necessarily right. It appears that they were often a multi purpose tool used for scraping and cutting. Cool find, good possibility that it's paleo!
 
Nice like end scraper. I don't believe it's paleo, due to the fact that it appears to be made out of heated Kay Co. (florence A) chert. Also....scrapers / tools like that were made in all time periods. About the only way to tell for sure if one is Paleo, is to find it in direct association with other paleo items. Here are some common misconceptions about scrapers:

"It's oblique parallel flaked, that's paleo flaking" - Not so. The finest worked scrapers are without a doubt Hopewell, who also practiced core technology. Their scrapers can commonly be found with super symmetrical Parallel, Oblique Parallel, or even transverse flaking.

"Paleo are the only scrapers that have the bulb trimmed". Not true. Many historical cultures often trimmed the bulbs on their scrapers....they also often employed graver spurs on the ends.

"It's large & crude, so it had to just be a scraper or butchering tool". - As any knapper can tell you, not all material is suitable for knapping. Many of what you find are simply discarded items that were "tested" during quarrying and found to be unsuitable. After some whacks you can often find a hidden flaw that you know wouldn't be easy to deal with...so it's simply easier to toss it and find another.

"Oklahoma has the sexiest fuzzy men". - This of course is entirely true.

Turtleback scrapers are named so because they resemble a turtle shell. They are a uniface with a domed profile and are round.

Duckbill scrapers are named so because they resemble a duck's bill. They can attain good lengths, are rectangular, with the Distal end being steeply beveled with pressure flaking.

Thumbnail scrapers are named so because they resemble a human fingernail. They are generally short and stubby, often square'ish' and the distal end is steeply beveled with pressure flaking. Duckbill scrapers after several resharpenings can resemble a thumbnail scraper.

Ok...I've typed my novel for the day and I have Taco Bell burritos waiting on me.
 
I went to the local museum today to ask about the native skeleton that was found across the road in a sand pit. Didn't learn much though. I thought the guy just wasn't interested in talking to me. After we left, my wife said she got the feeling that he knew about it but wasn't about to admit anything. I'll bet its in the basement somewhere. I probably freaked him out. I've grown my hair out and have a ponytail. He probably thought I was from the tribe and was going to give him problems. Actually kind of funny. The main guy wasn't there so I left my number. I think he will be a little more forthcoming. We have more in common - artifacts, fossils, and meteorites. Maybe I'll do a little volunteer work and see what I can find out. It was a fun trip though

They had some similar scrapers. They were Wichita 1400 - 1700 AD.

Thanks to all who replied....this stuff is soooo interesting
 
Hey,
Don't be disappointed if the Museum blows you off. Chances are they sold it or some professional "loaned" it out. I've known of 3 very nice collections donated to museums, displayed awhile and never seen again. Sad but true.
Nice scraper, keep looking and sending pics, thanks.
 
Matt R said:
Nice like end scraper. I don't believe it's paleo, due to the fact that it appears to be made out of heated Kay Co. (florence A) chert.

Matt, are you referring to the large deposit near Little Beaver close to the Osage line?
 
Stoney, Kay County chert, named for the county in north central Oklahoma. It's a pretty popular chert type in northern OK & southern KS. The infamous "Townsend" blade from Spiro mounds that sold for so much a few years back was made of Kay Co. It's actually a type of Florence chert (A).

Matt
 
I got a nice email from the curator of the museum today. He remembers seeing the skeleton about 25 yrs ago when he visited the museum. He says it was returned to the State of Kansas to be in compliance with the Native American Graves Protection Act. He said that the scraper is most likely Wichita and that there have been literaly thousands found in the area. There have been 3 digs in the area in the last few years. I'm going keep looking !!!
They also had some nice fossils at the museum - found in this area.
 
Okay guys- so ONE time I try being optomistic about something being paleo for somebody else's benefit and everybody jumps in screaming "That could be anything, probably not paleo". I guess I should note here that I don't think that it is but that it could be. Did they make general all purpose tools like that in 1700- sure did, have they been found at giant bison kill sites? Sure have.
 
Hiya Rob,

Nice scraper. I can't wait to get back into the fields and find more artifacts.

;) RR
 
CM..if you took offense to my post, I apologize, that definately was not my intent. I only meant to expound on some information on scrapers and tool manufacture. To me, the collecting is all about the knowledge that I gain from it. Perhaps sometimes I get overzealous in sharing information. I sure don't mean to come off demeaning or offensive in doing so though. Talk to you later.

Matt
 
No, you didn't offend me personally- it's just that when I first came on tnet I would tell people exactly what I thought - (if they had a rock that was clearly not an artifact and just a rock I would tell them so) I got in a lot of trouble for doing that so I tried to either bite my tongue or do the polite "well it might be" routine. So here I went one step further and was overly optimistic about the paleo thing only to be called out on it so to speak... I just found it to be ironic that's all. Nice scraper. ;)
 

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