Any "fishermen" out there....got a ID question you might be able to answer....?

curious kat · Mar 2, 2014

Any "fishermen" out there....got a ID question you might be able to answer....?

.....OK...it's my favorite sherd and have always been wondering what that is in the fish's mouth? :dontknow:

Thought you fishermen out there might know please....Thanxs..

monsterrack · Mar 2, 2014

unclemac said:
..looks like a "killed" bowl bottom...very nice

Most of the time when they killed one of these bowls it would be a hole put right in the center.

monsterrack · Mar 2, 2014

Here a little more info for you Kat on Membres Indians, where they lived and how they buried their dead.

burial of a mimbres native american.webp

Hope this helps you out. Notice in the photo of the burial how the pot was killed.

curious kat · Mar 3, 2014

....thanks some more guys! Red Earth, yes hubby & I both hunt & share.....but I get to write & post, he's more the strong silent type...lol

Monsterrack....thanks for the info & pics.....yes our area is rich in Mogollon culture, mimbres being one of them.

Well, on the sherd....still not sure what it (thing in mouth) actually is but since we're not near the ocean don't know about it being a "lure"? Hubby said he thinks the fish is a "Crappy"....sounds funny lol.....but guess we have them around here. I do lean towards what old digger said about it maybe being "something" that they used to catch or carry the fish with....so who knows.... it's just a really nice :fish:

sherd...

mainejman · Mar 3, 2014

I believe that truely is an amazing find .The implications of crappy in the area definetly expedited the need for developing a fillet knife.Be careful kat because they are characteristically sharp....mjm

Charl · Mar 3, 2014

The Mimbres seemed to have pictured marine, not fresh water, fish, as several in this thread have speculated:

http://www.incredibleart.org/files/mimbres.htm

"Fish comprise about 8% of figurative depictions on Mimbres pottery. Comparisons of fish imagery indicate that many species represented are saltwater fish from the Gulf of California, over 500 kilometers away. A Mimbres fish motif from the Swartz ruin has been identified as a long nose butterfly fish, an inhabitant of California Gulf reefs (Jett 701). Other pots show men swimming among such fish and carrying burden baskets of fish. The Mimbres may have visited the California Gulf on a seasonal basis to supplement their food supply and collect shells for trade and jewelry-making (Jett & Moyle 688-89). Their most probable route would have taken them near Casas Grandes, a contemporary Mesoamerica trading center and cultural outpost."

So, good reason the fish seems like a deep water marine species. It is.

unclemac · Mar 3, 2014

so i what i see is one mean looking fish with his bottom jaw extended and one determined eye....could he be swallowing something from an old tribal story or myth...something that we will never know?

NVNutcase · Mar 3, 2014

Bass eating a Rattler.

curious kat · Mar 3, 2014

Hey Charl...veerrrry interesting...didn't know that even though I thought it looked like an "angler" type of fish when I first saw it. Never would have thought it really was one because of where we are. Question is.....how would they have even seen these types of fish if they are such "deep" sea critters? Guess I need to :read2:

and learn about them....duh.....thanks for the link will check it out...all you "anglers" who've stuck to your guns about it being that...may be spot on...thanks to you Charl! :icon_thumright: