any one have a cartridges of the world handy? mine is in storage

[chong2]

in need the date when produced to date when obsolete, if even obsolete. and if for carbines or revolvers. if anyone has the time i appreciate it. looks almost like a .45 colt. it reads
38 WCF REM UMC

 

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[watercolor]

It might be a 38-40 for a lever-action rifle (starting mid to late 1870's I'm guessing)



watercolor

 

[Rubicon]

1879

Everything changes, but everything has a way of staying the same too--take .40 caliber handguns. That's precisely what the old .38 Winchester Centerfire (WCF) was. Despite the moniker, it fired a bullet of .400" diameter. As introduced in handguns its black powder loads gave a velocity of perhaps 850 to 1,000 fps depending on barrel length. Those are roughly the ballistics of today's .40 S&W pistols.

 

[chong2]

cool, thanks. by any chance do you know when these were discontinued?

 

[junkdigger]

38-40WCF,introduced in 1874,discontinued in 1937. Used in Winchester model 73 rifles,model 1892's,Marlin 1894's,the Remington model 14 1/2 slide action rifle,and the Colt single action revolvers. The 38-40 cartridge has been resurrected and is now available again. People like to shoot the old guns! And the Colt S.A.A. revolvers were chambered for this cartridge until their recent demise.

 

[chong2]

thanks everyone, thats what i needed to hear

 

[MT Digger]

Here's a link that may come in handy.
http://members.shaw.ca/cstein0/welcome.htm

 

[chong2]

cool link, he even wants to buy old certain shells

 

[geo4472]

38 winchester center fire remington union metalic compay thats all i know about it hope it helps

 

[morgan70]

There was no Remington-UMC until the merger took place in 1911. They still make cartridges with that headstamp also, so your 38-40 could be from anytime after 1911. Hope this helps. Sorry, I lost the link when I tried to paste it in, but you can do a search on remington/umc merger and get the info.
C.J.

 

[chong2]

thank you, why are people refering to this as a 38-40 ,wouldnt the shell be marker 38-40

 

[morgan70]

You would think so, but at the time this was the only .38 centerfire that Winchester developed. Best guess is that they didn't feel the need to add -40 so it is simply known as the .38 winchester center fire. It could get confusing with all of the .38's out there from colt, S&W, H&R, etc. You got lons, shorts, rimmed, ACP, etc. Confusing!!
C.J.

 

[chong2]

k, now i understand