Any opinions on this bottle

[jtw1313]

Age or anything...........I know it is blown

 

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[Rowdy Yates]

Blob seal, broken pontil, applied lip and handle, probably held spirits, circa. 1830s-1860s, if not a repro.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Blob seal, broken pontil, applied lip and handle, probably held spirits, circa. 1830s-1860s, if not a repro.

Problem is they hand blow these bottles in Mexico and unless I recognize it, I usually pass when I see them. You might try searching the bottle sites. If its legit, its mint


Its not a match just an example of a Mexican hand blown bottle VINTAGE CAVA ANTIQUA CREMA DE AGAVE LICOR GREEN GLASS BOTTLE HAND BLOWN MEXICO | eBay

 

[nhbenz]

If you add "applied medallion" to your search you find a lot of reproductions of Joseph Frances (or Ioseph Frances), and it looks like there may be initials to that effect on this?

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

If you add "applied medallion" to your search you find a lot of reproductions of Joseph Frances (or Ioseph Frances), and it looks like there may be initials to that effect on this?

Yea good research. Its apparently a repro of a 1650-1660 Joseph Francis wine bottle found at Jamestown., There are a ton of reproductions.
I cant find one with a handle. Some old repros have value

There is a J and 2 stars https://www.etsy.com/listing/92196163/1600s-joseph-frances-antique-wine-bottle


I found one with J and 2 stars but I lost the link

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Heres a J and 2 stars medallion but no handle GREEN CRUDE HAND BLOWN REPRO OF 1650s SHAFT & GLOBE WINE BOTTLE JAMESTOWN SEAL | eBay

This is a hand blown, pontiled reproduction of a 1650s shaft and globe wine bottle that was found at Jamestown...in fact, the original bottle can be seen in the Jamestown Visitor Center Museum.

It has a crude applied shoulder seal with 2 stars and the letter J, which stood for Joseph Frances....

Hand blown....pontiled bottom....crude applied V ring around neck with flared top ring....green.....round bulbous "shaft & globe" shape......9"tall....Sparkling mint condition with no chips or damage. This reproduction bottle was made as close as possible to the original bottle found at Jamestown.

 

[nhbenz]

Below the J, is there a really faint F between the stars, or am I imagining it?
The listing says that's a Jamestown seal, but I can't find that elsewhere?

 

[Mudflap]

Last time I was in Jamestown, 1967, they had a glass blowing exhibit and were blowing similar bottles for the tourists. Can't say on the one you have.


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[Bigcypresshunter]

Last time I was in Jamestown, 1967, they had a glass blowing exhibit and were blowing similar bottles for the tourists. Can't say on the one you have.


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Here is one they sell at the Plimouth Plantation Museum Shop for $45 but it seams a different seal. I would imagine the bottle is duplicated with various seals. During the 17th century, it was customary for high-ranking gentlemen to order wine bottles from England stamped with their personal seal.

https://www.plimoth.com/collections/glass/products/green-joseph-frances-wine-bottle



A 1600s authentic wine bottle unearthed however would look more like this. Nicholson Bottles | Historic Jamestowne So its obviously not an authentic 1600s bottle but it may be an older reproduction of one that may be worth more than you paid for it.

 

[jtw1313]

Thanks guys all you guys are awesome here on the tnet