Any owners of "multi-tone" detectors out there?

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Any owners of "multi-tone" detectors out there?

I met a new friend on the forum here and we went detecting an old swimming hole today. He had a Minelab Explorer and I had a Tesoro Tiger Shark. He was frustrated with trying to pinpoint and I was frustrated listening to his different tones - high pitch for silver/copper, medium pitch for pulltab/gold, and low pitch for the iron. I was digging everything (which isn't always bad), but there was a lot of trash. I know the TS well, so I was able to skip over a lot, but I like to dig if in doubt. The tones would have removed the doubt. But I could pinpoint easily! He couldn't. He did get better with practice, though.

Question - who has a multi-tone detector? What kind is it? Does it pinpoint well? I'd love to have the best of both worlds. Let the bragging begin...
 

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Re: Any owners of "multi-tone" detectors out there?

Soverign XS-2a Pro. A little trick I learned with non-tone I D detectors is to use a X pattern to pin point. Minelab is so sensative that I often have to try to find the center of the target first, then step over a little to find the other center. There it is, in a nut shell. As with any detector, practice makes progress. Good luck & HH! Chris
 

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Multi-tone detectors have been around for some time now. Fisher CZ series has 4 tones, some other makes have variable tones. I like my old 1235X, one tone, dig or not with pinpoint. I have found tiny gold jewelry with it and large gold jewelry with it along with tons of coinage. But my multi-tone CZ's do the brunt of the work in trashy areas and when going after deep targets. While I do not use a Minelab and do not intend to get one I am aware that they are usually good on target ID and pinpointing but it is an operator's experience level that dictates success most often.
 

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I also have a Minelab Soveriegn it is multi tone. I usally use it on minimal discrimination with the fixed tone ID switched engaged and the ground sensitivity set in auto which engages the iron mask nulling out all ferrous targets. I usally dont switch to all metal mode to pinpoint but instead leave the settings as is. When i get a good hit i will get a general idea of the targets location and then i will circle the area clockwise with my coil while listening for my threshold to null and or the tone to go off again all while closing the circle smaller and smaller. If its a coin you can get the circle very small till you have an almost contant tone. When i've narrowed the area down to where i pretty much know the target location, say a 3" by 3" circle i will do what they call a wiggle with the middle of the coil over the 3" area till i get a solid non breaking tone. I then know the middle of the coil is directly on top of the target. I then mark the spot with my eye and take my digger and lay its point right on the spot. I then set my detector down an dig a 3" round plug around the center. Very seldom am i off, but sometimes depending on how the coin is laying it may throw it off and i will find the coin in the side of the hole. Sometimes if i have trouble pinpointing this way i will move positions around the area and change the angle im detecting from till i get that steady, non breaking tone. This method may sound complicated, but it's really not and if you seen me do it you would pick it up in about 5 seconds. ? ?
 

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I have an Explorer II and don't have trouble pinpointing! Especially using the pin point function. I can cure your problem with hearing his tones-wear your head phones! If he was using his you shouldn't hear them and he will hear what he has been missing and pin pointing will be easier. Just my .02 Cladius.
 

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I'm still looking to get a "real" detector but for now the cheap one I use is multi-tone if I descriminate or notch but single tone if set for all metal. I like the multi-tone as when I hear that high pitch it gives me a little extra adrenaline boost....although I dig everything, if nothing else just to get the trash out. Happy Hunting. Dan
 

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I use the GTP 1350 ..... just got it....and really liking it
 

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I use a Tesoro Cortes, but I am told it won't do the job at the beach.? I was wondering how you like the Tiger Shark?? I understand it can be used on land and/or at the beach.? Are you satisfied with the performance?
Thanks.
 

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To be honest, I'm not thrilled with the Tiger Shark. Since it has no volume control, it makes it hard to hear the beep when you're breathing underwater (scuba). It's the only one I've used underwater and I'm not sure about other underwater units having volume control. Overall it's been a good machine. I've found tons of stuff on land with it, too.

How many tones does the Cortes have? I've yet to see one. Are you pleased overall with it?
 

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Explorer has a Double "D" coil that's hot for whole length of coil North to south | |
You must find object <-------> and then find object 90 degrees from that position.
Where these two points intersect is on top of object X.
So that's horizontal left to right pinpoint, then move coil 90 degrees and PP top to bottom or vertical from starting point. + these two points give top dead center with DD coils.
 

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Darren: Check out the Golden uMax from Tesoro. It's a four-tone audio discriminator machine. BBJ
 

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Thanks, John. I've been wanting to look at that one. I've pretty much have focused on the underwater units and the Lobo. I guess it's time to give the rest a closer look :)
 

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Darren:

If anyone suggests the Infinium, I would suggest against it. It is a serious tool, but if you didn't like the Excalibur, you'll absolutely hate the Infinium, since it will reach deeper, and give even more targets to try and pinpoint (and there's a definate trick to that with this detector).

The straight scoop (from the site) on the Infinium:

1. The Infinium is good -- period. The box itself (electronics) does exactly what it says it will do. The later units have updates so they can use more coils, the earlier units can be upgraded -- contact Garrett for guidance.

2. The Infinium is powerful -- very -- and therin is the crux of most problems with newbies who buy the unit for their first detector. It operates on the ragged edge of it's power band, and as such, you'll have to understand how to tune and tone the unit (reduce power) to either quiet it down or keep it on the edge and go to the max depths possible.

3. Is it comparable to the Minelab Nuggetshooter (SD & 3000) Series: No. The Minelabs have been on the market much longer than the Infinium and there are many more coils available for them and it takes a large battery to power those coils effectively (they are extremely large -- car tire diameter). The Infinium won't compete with 8 alkaline batteries, but on the otherhand, the Infinium will still be hunting when those large coils drain that big battery and the Minelab owner is seeking shade -- exhausted from lugging it around. The Infinium will also be hunting in all weather conditions, even underwater.

4. Is it comparable to the VLF nuggetshooters: No. It goes much deeper than VLF and ignores mineralization effectively. Solid iron masses will give a low/high tone -- it will be very effective in the meteorite fields (worth more than nuggets).

5. Is the Infinium comparable to VLF relic machines: No. It will detect much deeper than any of them -- BUT -- will give no indication of composition of material other than a low/high or a high/low tone. You won't see on a screen: "buckle" or "bullet" for instance, or an indication of how deep the target is. You can flip the coil on it's side and if you don't hear a tone -- it's deep . . . so in this respect we're going back to the old days of metal detecting with a pure metal detector. This unit won't baby anyone, it uses 100% of it's battery power to achieve depth (good).

6. Is the Infinium comparable to coin machines: No. If you're after coins (other than silver) you should look to a dedicated coin machine. Silver: can be hunted exclusively by tareting everything that gives a low/high tone. You'll dig up some iron too -- but won't miss any silver coins.

7. What's the deal with the headphones: the headphones are good, but you can't swap them for any other land unit, since the Infinium is waterproof so needs a waterproof headphone jack. There are two sets of phones: audio boosted underwater, and regular adjustable volume phones. If you're in the desert, relic hunting, etc., you only need the land phones (they come standard).

8. What's the deal with the shafts: this is where Garrett falls down (on their whole line). In an effort to be different, they use pins (as in the Infinium), spring catches, and just about every other connector known except the knurled knob that all the others mfg's use that has worked flawlessly for years. Garrett: get a clue -- no need to constantly re-invent the wheel when it works fine.

9. What's the deal with the Sea Hunter: the Sea Hunter is essentially an Infinium without the high/low tone system but with an effective motion discriminator system that works a lot like a Minelab to take out surface trash. For $600 less than an Infinium, that's an extremely powerful detector if you're willing to dig all the targets.

10. Are there others out there: yes -- you have Eric Foster's designs (designed the original Sea Hunter for Garrett), Whites, and more to choose from. You'll have to decide with them what features you want -- for now, the Infinium seems to have the most features for the least money (waterproof/high low/waterproof phones/swapable coils/diving & land shafts included/ car & home chargers included/ recharge & alkaline battery packs included).

Good luck out there!

Matt Mattson
http://www.treasuresites.com
 

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Hello Matt. I don't recall saying I didn't like the Excalibur (but I did mention the Tiger Shark vs. the Explorer). But thanks for the plug on the Infinium. Garrett seems to be in the "has been" category. Nice to know Garrett still has some quality guys pulling for his line :) Nice site you have. Thanks for sharing your knowledge. It means a lot.
 

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Darren: I have used many underwater detectors. Not one of them satisfied me on land. The Fisher 1280 X is great in fresh water, not so good in salt. The Pulse units work great in salt water, but I hate them in fresh or on land. The Tiger Shark is a pulse unit while the Sand Shark is not.
Any way that I went, water detectors are not for land. Even the Excaliber did'nt do the job that the Soverign did for me.(Bet you never though I'd say something bad about Minelab, huh.) The only plus to most water detectors is that when I go water hunting I don't have to bring two detectors. ( one for the water , one for the beach) I bring two anyway. I hate the feeling like i've missed something.
HH! Chris
 

Re: Any owners of "multi-tone" detectors out there?

Hello Chris,

Nice to see you're being real about Minelab. They are without a doubt a great company. I think more companies are wising up to high quality, though. You can get a pretty good machine at a lower cost than Minelab. But their reputation is solid.

Just so no one gets confused, Tiger Shark is a VLF while Shand Shark is pulse induction. I think you inadvertently got them turned around.

Thanks again, Chris. Hope your goodie bags are full.
 

Re: Any owners of "multi-tone" detectors out there?

Thanks for the clarification. This virus has my head turned around. And about the Minelab having it's limitations, the truth will always serve us better. I would hate for a newbie to get the wrong idea about any detector. No one will do every job, and no company has it all. Good luck & HH! Chris
 

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Hey Chris I've used my CZ-20 in a lot of backwood hunts. It is very comfortable when hipmounted and not nearly as clumsy as the Minelab water machine. It has the full range of any CZ functions with the exception that it's always in Salt Mode. There is a plus to this when in heavily fertilized fields or noisy environments. It's one water machine that is definitely at home in any water and on land. About the only problem with it is the fixed headphones, meant for submersible use they ring in quite loudly when you hit a target at full volume.
 

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