Anybody up for a tough id?

[Older The Better]

Found these today in a corner of my yard I’m going to start trying to get an id on my own, I suspect it may be early archaic. In the meantime I thought I’d throw them up here and see if I get the same results.
I found them in south east Kansas on a bluff top if that helps.

The tough one, not sure I’ll get an id


This may be easier


This one I’m not sure if it’s a tool maybe a scraper or an awl or maybe just a weird flake

 

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[Older The Better]

These are my best current guesses... sorry overstreet if I’m breaking some sort of copyright law

 

[Neanderthal]

Unfortunately, both are missing necessary features that would lead to any sort of accurate ID (They are not Jakie or Red River Knife). Both do appear to be Archaic forms though and that's probably about as close as you're going to get.

 

[Older The Better]

That’s kind of what I thought, I’d love to find some good identifiable points there to know what group was using my yard 8,000 ish years ago. Been on a frustrating streak of finding partial points. Just found this today in a separate field. like the others there’s just enough to make you think an id may be possible but not enough to ever be sure