Anyone here done any electroplating?

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I have an old Columbian Vise Co woodworking vise I found a few years ago in a scrap dumpster. It's sat around waiting for me to decide what I wanted to do with it, either clean it and use as is, or restore it, make it pretty and use it. So restoration finally won out and a couple days ago I tossed it in my electrolysis bucket and managed to get it taken apart...

I've decided to paint the jaws with green hammered paint, and do the lettering in gold, with wood handles and I want to get the guide rods, the jaw dog, the handle center and screw rod nickle plated.

So I've been reading about plating all day, looking at chemicals, anodes, pre made kits, tutorials etc... and I know a little more than I did this morning but now my brain hurts too.

If anyone has any experience with this, I'd love to be able to ask some questions and get some advice.

Here's some pics of the project so far:

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Find a plating shop and have them do it. Realize though, that if you add several thousands of plating the rods will no longer fit the holes. I had that happen on a Colt Single Action cylinder pin. To plate nickel on steel, you have to plate it with copper first so the layers add up in thousands. Maybe replace the rods with stainless and plate the other parts. Gary
 
very cool endeavor, will be an awesome tool and awesome looking again too. Besides being made of quality and made to last unlike most things made today, it is an wonderful save of the past. I hope the best for you and your project and pics when done please.
 
Find a plating shop and have them do it. Realize though, that if you add several thousands of plating the rods will no longer fit the holes. I had that happen on a Colt Single Action cylinder pin. To plate nickel on steel, you have to plate it with copper first so the layers add up in thousands. Maybe replace the rods with stainless and plate the other parts. Gary

Well the rods are likely to be a bit undersized after all the rust is off, and I'll need to polish the holes they run through so my thought is I'll be ok there. I can't find my caliper to get measurements but the original tolerances weren't very tight to begin with. The problem with replacing them is they are necked down and threaded on one end and I'd need to find someone with a lathe to turn them down and hopefully be able to match the thread. Which I think could end up costing more than plating.

So is copper plating always done first on steel? I got the impression that it was mostly used for things that needed a bright mirror finish, or on aluminum.. There's the problem, I really don't even know what I don't know yet. I'd like to do it myself, just to be able to say I did, but I'm more of a hands on learner and the more I read the less sure I was of what information would actually apply to my project.
 
So I've been reading about plating all day, looking at chemicals, anodes, pre made kits, tutorials etc... and I know a little more than I did this morning but now my brain hurts too.

If anyone has any experience with this, I'd love to be able to ask some questions and get some advice.

I have a good deal of experience when it comes to plating.

Through over 40 years of osmosis.
I am a precision machinist / toolmaker, with the specialty of precision grinding.

When it comes to restoration, rebuilding, upgrading, modifying, I can lend advise.


When is comes to successful plating the start is "prep"
Clean and brite does not always mean "clean".

So, those guide rods. Brite and clean, super clean,.....
Measure them very well.
For size, any taper, roundness, etc.
Note everything down.
You can mark them on the flat end to know which is which.

Clean up the females, the I.D.'s.
The ones on the stationary jaw will be a press fit, the movable jaw will be a slide / slip fit.
Measure carefully and note down what the findings are.

Now you develop a plan.

There is more than one kind of Nickel plating,......

I read minds, so I know that you are thinking, "Bright Nickel"

Bright Nickel doesn't require a copper base, but very often it gets one.

Copper plating is often used as a base plate because it just flies onto the piece,......
and provides a wonderfully "conductive" surface,.......

"Copper sticks to everything, and everything sticks to copper"

Copper plating also is used to fill in pits, nicks, dings, scratches, flaws, etc.


Like this example,........

* Automotive Show Chrome
*(Triple Chrome)

> Motorcycle Fender

Strip the present chrome
Polish on the "Hard Wheel" to expose pits and flaws.
Get the thing looking pretty good, note all the pits, etc.
Judgement, Judgement, Judgement,......

If you polish out the pits and flaws entirely, the piece will become too thin.

Glass bead the piece with fine grit.
Put it in the alkali cleaner, rinse in DI water, repeat.

Set it up and throw some copper plate on the piece.
Again, judgement,.....

You want to fill the pits and bring on a bit of a blend to the surface.
Bring on "uniformity"

Back to the hard wheel,.....

Evaluate, throw on more copper, and hit it on the wheel again?

Ok, moving ahead,......

You have the surface of the piece nice uniform, and you buffed it to a mirror finish.

Super clean the piece, and put it in the Nickel tank.
Throw on some nickel, take it and buff the daylights out of it.

Super clean the piece and set it up for the chrome tank, throw some chrome on.

Buff the daylights out of it.

Clean it 100%

Wrap it in that brown paper

Call the customer

Listen to him have a stroke over the phone over the cost

Customer is dead, list the fender on ebay and try to recover some money


Note 1)
The surface,...... brushed finished, belt sanded, glass beaded, buffed and polished,.....

That is what you will have after plating.

Plating is not a magic paint that makes everything look new again.

You want a bright and shiny workpiece?

The piece has to be bright and shiny when it goes into the plating tank.

Note 2)
The distance between the holes, and how parallel they are are an issue too.
As is how the distance between holes compares, ie, the stationary jaw vs. movable jaw

Note 3)
That nickel will look perfect, but later, when the vise has seen some use,
will get scratched up badly. (grit, and filings will do it's dirty work)
Consider industrial Hard Chrome, per QQC-320.

Chrome is 72 / 74 Rockwell C scale.

Even if an expert, who knows all the tricks, like baking the nickel plated piece
within 1 hour of it being removed from the tank to bring up the hardness,......
can "maybe" push the nickel to 56 / 58 Rockwell C scale.
And that honestly is what can be achieved on "Electroless Nickel", bright nickel?
Probably, I would have to check, but probably bright nickel would come up.

As plated bright nickel comes in at maybe 36 / 38 Rockwell C scale.
It's kind of sticky, and debris can become logged in it.



*You have a ton of work to do.
Let me know when you have everything brite, clean, and measured.

An no, dial calipers will not cut it.

A calibrated micrometer, and an intermic or bore gage set to known size.
(at minimum a calibrated micrometer and a precision pin set)


I hope you have a friend that is a precision machinist or toolmaker.

There can be no question about the sizes you're dealing with.
 
very cool endeavor, will be an awesome tool and awesome looking again too. Besides being made of quality and made to last unlike most things made today, it is an wonderful save of the past. I hope the best for you and your project and pics when done please.

I'll definitely get plenty of pics, I'm a big fan of my modern power tools, but there's a certain elegance to the old stuff that you just don't see anymore, this vise is around 100 years old and it just "feels" better than a new one when I pick it up.
 
Call the customer

Listen to him have a stroke over the phone over the cost

Customer is dead, list the fender on ebay and try to recover some money

Well I certainly don't want to have a stroke over this....

It's a lot to think about, and I may have to change my plans for the rods at least. The center "T" of the handle looks to be cast iron like the jaws, and I would like to have it nice and shiny, will cast iron take plating? I imagine I would need to polish it and get rid of all the pebbling to get a good surface
 
Well I certainly don't want to have a stroke over this....

It's a lot to think about, and I may have to change my plans for the rods at least. The center "T" of the handle looks to be cast iron like the jaws, and I would like to have it nice and shiny, will cast iron take plating? I imagine I would need to polish it and get rid of all the pebbling to get a good surface

Cast iron is "dirty" by nature.

It does not like plating, very hard to get "clean"

You would have to polish out all the pits and roughness, clean the daylights out of it.
Throw on some copper, give it a look see, polish the daylights out of it, maybe one more time.
Then plate it, Nickel, Chrome, etc.
Then a little finish polishing.
 

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