Aqua Blue glass candlesticks ??

[tamrock]

I see a fair amount of clear glass with this etched patterns on them. At times I'll see the peach & cranberry colors and they are always more money in the antique shops. I found these on the latest trip for 3 & change. With these being a aqua-blue color, I'm pretty sure they'll sell for more. I just don't know who made them as there not marked. I looked at these Heisey's, Cambridge and Fostoria glassware and they all have kind of the same look. If any of you out there have some good knowledge on what I may have I'd sure like some opinions. I got you Diggum on my mind as I'm sure I've read some post on what you know on older glass. I'll buy the stuff I see that's marked such as Baccarat, Waterford & Lalique as that's a no brain'r, but this stuff is not what I generally go for. Hope you can tell me who made them and how old they are?... The color and price just said I can't go wrong, or so it seemed to me.

 

[diggummup]

Fostoria June pattern I believe. There are similar patterns like Romance, Corsage and Mayflower so you may want to check it out for yourself.

 

[diggummup]

I think I found a single- Fostoria June Blue Single Light Candleholder 1823818 | eBay

That is from Replacements.com so figure your pair is probably worth what they are asking for the single one.

 

[tamrock]

Thanks Diggum, I think I'll make a simple sale at around $40 or so for the pair if and when I ever get around to selling my junk. Found these with same design, but a different etched pattern sell in that price range.
Pair of Vintage Fostoria Azure Blue Versailles Etch Glass Candlesticks Mint | eBay

 

[inspectorgadget]

Thanks Diggum, I think I'll make a simple sale at around $40 or so for the pair if and when I ever get around to selling my junk. Found these with same design, but a different etched pattern sell in that price range.
Pair of Vintage Fostoria Azure Blue Versailles Etch Glass Candlesticks Mint | eBay

I don't think you should pay attention to the etching design as most likely these were decorated (etched) by an outside company & there were most likely several different etched designs by this company. The shape & style is what the Fostoria pattern describes not the etched decorating. Candlesticks from many companies were quite often plain (undesorated) & then decorated by outside companies.

 

[diggummup]

I don't think you should pay attention to the etching design as most likely these were decorated (etched) by an outside company & there were most likely several different etched designs by this company. The shape & style is what the Fostoria pattern describes not the etched decorating. Candlesticks from many companies were quite often plain (undesorated) & then decorated by outside companies.

What you are saying is simply not true as far as elegant glass patterns are concerned. I believe you are confused with ABP cut glass which was "decorated" from blanks by various makers.

When it comes to elegant glass, the particular pattern is what makes a piece worth more or less. These patterns are not done by outside companies, they are done "in house". The June pattern is strictly Fostoria as is the Versailles pattern that tamrock linked to. The blanks are the same yes. The blanks and the etched patterns are both strictly Fostoria. You won't find a piece of Cambridge for instance with the June or Versailles etched pattern.

There are similar patterns made by other glass companies but each company has it's own unique pattern. Here read up a little- Our House Antiques - Etching Identification and Information Page and Our House Antiques - Misidentified or easily mistaken Elegant Glassware Patterns


PS- tamrock... The Azure (blue) June pattern was produced between 1928 and 1944 as shown in the first link above.

 

[tamrock]

What you are saying is simply not true as far as elegant glass patterns are concerned. I believe you are confused with ABP cut glass which was "decorated" from blanks by various makers.

When it comes to elegant glass, the particular pattern is what makes a piece worth more or less. These patterns are not done by outside companies, they are done "in house". The June pattern is strictly Fostoria as is the Versailles pattern that tamrock linked to. The blanks are the same yes. The blanks and the etched patterns are both strictly Fostoria. You won't find a piece of Cambridge for instance with the June or Versailles etched pattern.

There are similar patterns made by other glass companies but each company has it's own unique pattern. Here read up a little- Our House Antiques - Etching Identification and Information Page and Our House Antiques - Misidentified or easily mistaken Elegant Glassware Patterns


PS- tamrock... The Azure (blue) June pattern was produced between 1928 and 1944 as shown in the first link above.

I knew you had better then the average bear knowledge of old glass. It is a deep and wonderful subject and I have only the eye of a novice when it come to that study of old glass. Thanks for your help! BTW me and my honey are going tomorrow to view "Chihuly at Denver Botanic Gardens" I'll post some picks.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpnwq5cSgC8#t=15

 

[inspectorgadget]

I have a bunch of Duncan glass that is etched & none of it was etched in house, it was done by outside firms & I'm not talking ABP I'm talking late 30's & early 40's glass. Stuff that at least somewhat rivals elegant glassware. These pieces can't be identified from the etching either because Duncan didn't do it. Not really into Fostoria (except the later on Heirloom stuff) so I have never checked into their way of etching. I actually did know how Cambridge did theirs tho.

 

[diggummup]

I have a bunch of Duncan glass that is etched & none of it was etched in house, it was done by outside firms & I'm not talking ABP I'm talking late 30's & early 40's glass. Stuff that at least somewhat rivals elegant glassware. These pieces can't be identified from the etching either because Duncan didn't do it. Not really into Fostoria (except the later on Heirloom stuff) so I have never checked into their way of etching. I actually did know how Cambridge did theirs tho.

Okay, I understand what you mean now. Let me try to explain it.

Duncan Miller etched patterns are exclusive to Duncan Miller glass patterned blanks. Like the other popular elegant glass manufacturers, Duncan-Miller also made different mold lines, which are more commonly referred to as “blanks.” Sometimes Duncan-Miller’s blanks were sold as a stand-alone pattern. When etching was added, however, the name associated with the pieces usually corresponds with the etch rather than the blank. In Duncan-Miller’s case, the popular First Love pattern can be used as one example.

Now... There were many "decorating houses" of the era, one of the most famous (and the one i'll use as an example) was the Lotus Glass Co. of Barnesville, Ohio. Lotus did not actually manufacture a single piece of glass, but instead purchased blanks from all the major manufacturers, including Duncan Miller, New Martinsville, Paden City, Bryce, Cambridge, Central, Fostoria, Heisey, Imperial, Lancaster, Mid-Atlantic, Morgantown, Paden City, Tiffin, Viking, West Virginia Glass Specialty, Westmoreland, and Weston. The etched patterns this and all "decorator houses" applied, have names. These names are exclusive to each decorating house. Sometimes that "name" is nothing more than a number, etched pattern no.17 for example. It's confusing I know. That's why it is hard to identify some of the etched patterns on vintage glass, be it elegant or otherwise.

The patterns can be identified, it's just harder to do. You first have to know the decorator house in order to figure out the pattern names associated with that company.

You have blanks with etched patterns exclusive to the glass manufacture and you have those same blanks with etched patterns exclusive to the decorating house that did their own etching.

(Very important note) These pieces were marketed under the decorating house name, not from the company that actually made the glass blanks.

To sum it up, you should always pay attention to the "etching design" because it does matter. For the most part etched patterns produced by the actual glass manufacturer will command better prices than their competitive decorating counterparts.

Confused yet, lol?

 

[inspectorgadget]

Okay, I understand what you mean now. Let me try to explain it.

Duncan Miller etched patterns are exclusive to Duncan Miller glass patterned blanks. Like the other popular elegant glass manufacturers, Duncan-Miller also made different mold lines, which are more commonly referred to as “blanks.” Sometimes Duncan-Miller’s blanks were sold as a stand-alone pattern. When etching was added, however, the name associated with the pieces usually corresponds with the etch rather than the blank. In Duncan-Miller’s case, the popular First Love pattern can be used as one example.

Now... There were many "decorating houses" of the era, one of the most famous (and the one i'll use as an example) was the Lotus Glass Co. of Barnesville, Ohio. Lotus did not actually manufacture a single piece of glass, but instead purchased blanks from all the major manufacturers, including Duncan Miller, New Martinsville, Paden City, Bryce, Cambridge, Central, Fostoria, Heisey, Imperial, Lancaster, Mid-Atlantic, Morgantown, Paden City, Tiffin, Viking, West Virginia Glass Specialty, Westmoreland, and Weston. The etched patterns this and all "decorator houses" applied, have names. These names are exclusive to each decorating house. Sometimes that "name" is nothing more than a number, etched pattern no.17 for example. It's confusing I know. That's why it is hard to identify some of the etched patterns on vintage glass, be it elegant or otherwise.

The patterns can be identified, it's just harder to do. You first have to know the decorator house in order to figure out the pattern names associated with that company.

You have blanks with etched patterns exclusive to the glass manufacture and you have those same blanks with etched patterns exclusive to the decorating house that did their own etching.

(Very important note) These pieces were marketed under the decorating house name, not from the company that actually made the glass blanks.

To sum it up, you should always pay attention to the "etching design" because it does matter. For the most part etched patterns produced by the actual glass manufacturer will command better prices than their competitive decorating counterparts.

Confused yet, lol?

No not really as I already had a feel for how it worked. I do know the guy (Toby Aulman) who runs the Vintage Glass identification FB page says identifying the etchings or companies who did them is almost impossible on most pieces. They don't & won't even try to identify etchings on there & they (especially Toby) are very knowledgeable identifiers of any vintage glass from victorian thru modern & everything in between. Don't get me wrong every now & again someone just happens to know that particular etching (or cutting) & who did it but that is very few & far between. They just identify the blank pattern & the maker who made it. No one has ever been able to identify the etching on a pair of candlesticks made by Duncan that I have. But I know the name Duncan used for the "blanks" which is "ripple" and even when etched when listed on eBay the are listed as Duncan Ripple pattern regardless of what is etched on them but that is probably because id'ing the decorating company is so difficult.

Thanks for all that info!