Authentic Quartz Effigy?

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I'm skeptical to say the least. No peck marks. No patina, at all. How do you peck and grind those nostril holes? Opinions welcomed.
 

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I can understand your skepticism. Authentic quartz artifacts (banner stones in particular) have shown up and the same questions have surfaced. I would guess the unaltered piece had features that lent itself to be worked and fashioned easier than a plain , flat, biscuit shaped piece. Just my $.02.
 
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Looks odd. What's the history behind it?
A 'well known collector' found it, sold it to present owner in Hudson Valley area of NY. I think TDog hit it when he mentioned the 'unaltered piece' having certain 'features'. After looking at it for awhile, it looks to me like the only altered areas are the nostrils and the inner mouth/oval. The rest of the stone is natural. How else would you account for the surface of that rock? Now, whether or not it is old, and how old, is a question.
 
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Looks modern made. Better pictures would help, when blown up nostril holes do not look old. As you said to, no peck marks, no patina either.
 
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To find a stone with a face etched into it would be really exciting to me. Around here and south into TEXAS I find things called "Pathos" usually a diamond/triangle shaped piece of obsidian not very large at all but I understand Native Americans used to carry them around for "good luck" or something of that nature. They sometimes look like they've been Polished but that the Obsidian look to begin with. Thats a GOOD FIND there even if you didn't find it!
 

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... this reminds me of an outer space pilot, was it found in N Mexico’s Area 51?
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Its a picture I saved a long time ago...
 
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To find a stone with a face etched into it would be really exciting to me. Around here and south into TEXAS I find things called "Pathos" usually a diamond/triangle shaped piece of obsidian not very large at all but I understand Native Americans used to carry them around for "good luck" or something of that nature. They sometimes look like they've been Polished but that the Obsidian look to begin with. Thats a GOOD FIND there even if you didn't find it!
... that is new term to me. Please make a new post about with lots of pics...
 

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It’s interesting that some things like artifacts ..art with facial features just are not found, even though we know they have the knowledge and skill to create these things. I read an interesting thing recently that some of the tribes in N. Cal had laws regarding the speaking of a name of someone that had passed or speaking of what someone had done that had passed. It was strictly not allowed. The punishment was DEATH. Great way to squash history. Of course this is just what was told during interviews with tribal members of all the surrounding tribes so take it with a grain of rice. Likely other tribes felt it was disrespectful or there was superstition associated.
 
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It’s interesting that some things like artifacts ..art with facial features just are not found, even though we know they have the knowledge and skill to create these things. I read an interesting thing recently that some of the tribes in N. Cal had laws regarding the speaking of a name of someone that had passed or speaking of what someone had done that had passed. It was strictly not allowed. The punishment was DEATH. Great way to squash history. Of course this is just what was told during interviews with tribal members of all the surrounding tribes so take it with a grain of rice. Likely other tribes felt it was disrespectful or there was superstition associated.
Have friends out on the Umatilla indian reservation and they definitely aren't allowed to speak their name or talk about memories that involve the deceased. They also aren't allowed to cry or mourn for a given time.
I was told by the natives that the reason was because the deceased spirit might not want to leave and would end up stuck on Earth forever.
 
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... that is new term to me. Please make a new post about with lots of pics...
No more pics available.....owner has a case of the a__ because I questioned its authenticity. I think of A post from one of our regulars, months ago , about collectors whose admiration of their fakes used to bother him, but he has now resigned himself to that situation. Wish he would restate his feelings expressed....because I'm getting to that point.
 
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Have friends out on the Umatilla indian reservation and they definitely aren't allowed to speak their name or talk about memories that involve the deceased. They also aren't allowed to cry or mourn for a given time.
I was told by the natives that the reason was because the deceased spirit might not want to leave and would end up stuck on Earth forever.
The stuff I’ve read about early contact period people is that they were VERY superstitious. It seems to be a cultural thing that is passed down each generation.,not like Santa Clause, but that’s the reason uncle Joe got bucked off his horse and broke his leg and that will happen to you if your not careful type of thing.
 

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