Avonlea points

[larson1951]

we find these very seldom
i think they are more prolific in eastern montana, right dennis?
they are different, that's for sure
all the ones i have found are made from TRSS

 

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[natchitoches]

i like the one on the left

 

[SOHIO]

i like the one on the left

thats what i was going to say

 

[rock]

The one on the left if found around here I would call it a Big Sandy. Related to Thebes.

 

[Neanderthal]

Steve, I don't think any of those are Avonlea. The middle one "could" be, but it really appears too large as well. Avonlea are small, delicate arrow points - In fact, they are one of the earliest arrow points.

 

[old digger]

we find these very seldom
i think they are more prolific in eastern montana, right dennis?
they are different, that's for sure
all the ones i have found are made from TRSSView attachment 696200View attachment 696201

The Avonlea has been reguarded as the initial adoption of the bow and arrow on the Northwestern Plains. Avonlea and Avonlea-like materials have been found from the Rocky Mountains to the Eastern Plains, west-east), and from the Northern Boreal forest and southward.
From my research the first point (left), may be what is called a Carmichael Wide-Eared variety ''degenerate, Avonlea'' which were somewhat larger and were somewhat inferior to the other Avonlea points.
The middle point is the Gull Lake ''Classic'' variety which is smaller and more delicately fashioned.
The third point, (right) very much resembles a Besant Point, which would date slightly earlier that the Avonlea.

 

[larson1951]

Steve, I don't think any of those are Avonlea. The middle one "could" be, but it really appears too large as well. Avonlea are small, delicate arrow points - In fact, they are one of the earliest arrow points.

thanks for the info
i have an awful lot to learn
i wonder what source there is that could help me

this image of mixed up pieces has a coin in the center with a tiny point on it.........do you think think that is an avonlea? or just a plain side notch?

also on the lower right the long white point with the broke off tip........is it a besant?

 

[Neanderthal]

Steve, I believe the small white point on the coin is probably a plains side notch. The white one does appear Besant. If you ever get the chance, pick up Jeb Taylor's book "Projectile Points of the High Plains" - it's not cheap, but is well worth the money. If you don't have them already, I also highly recommend the Bell / Perino 4 volume set from OAS (they are $62 shipped - for all 4).

 

[larson1951]

Steve, I believe the small white point on the coin is probably a plains side notch. The white one does appear Besant. If you ever get the chance, pick up Jeb Taylor's book "Projectile Points of the High Plains" - it's not cheap, but is well worth the money. If you don't have them already, I also highly recommend the Bell / Perino 4 volume set from OAS (they are $62 shipped - for all 4).

thanks much
i am gonna get them
your help is always appreciated

 

[rock]

thanks for the info
i have an awful lot to learn
i wonder what source there is that could help me

this image of mixed up pieces has a coin in the center with a tiny point on it.........do you think think that is an avonlea? or just a plain side notch?

also on the lower right the long white point with the broke off tip........is it a besant?View attachment 696556

What is the big one towards the right side of the frame? Its real round and has notches on it.

 

[larson1951]

What is the big one towards the right side of the frame? Its real round and has notches on it.

i think it is the only hafted scraper i have found

 

[rock]

Thats a big scraper and a good looking one at that. I havent ever found one with the notches on it before. Mine are the normal looking ones for hand use or to be inserted into a bone handle and then tied down.