"Aztec" mystery symbol

[Randy Bradford]

"Aztec" mystery symbol

Just curious if anyone has seen a symbol like this before or has any idea what it might mean. Some of you might recognize it because it ran in a treasure publication with a story. I'm just curious what people who might not be influenced by the story might have seen or think about the symbol. Story goes there are 11 of these bad boys scattered throughout the midwest. Your help is appreciated...

 

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[kenb]

Re: "Aztec" mystery symbol

Randy what makes you think its Aztec? Looks Hindu or middle eastern to me.

kenb

 

[Randy Bradford]

Wow, how's this for a late response. I only think it's Aztec because the person that published the picture thought it was. I was mostly curious if anyone had seen one like it before. This comes from an old Gene Balinger newsletter and is related to the Montezuma treasure.

 

[flyadive]

Almost 6 years ago!
Wowsers ! Better late than never I guess!

Looks like a weather vain.

 

[fronjm05]

I thought middle eastern at first as well. Only way to know for sure is to compare to middle eastern language characters, and Aztec. See if it looks similar to anything. Do you have a link to the story? maybe there are more images there. Oh haha this is from 2007, still interesting.

 

[pippinwhitepaws]

Ancient Scripts: Aztec

 

[Springfield]

Wow, how's this for a late response. I only think it's Aztec because the person that published the picture thought it was. I was mostly curious if anyone had seen one like it before. This comes from an old Gene Balinger newsletter and is related to the Montezuma treasure.

Mr. Ballinger published that manipulated photo with no justification for his 'Aztec' claim, and not much of an explanation of where it was found ('Utah'). He was a good guy to talk with, and put out a great newsletter, but I wouldn't bet the farm on this idea.

 

[fronjm05]

Aztec markings / carving, etc were more "artistic" too were they not? More like actual art pictures / symbols. Versus Native Americans which kept things simple to tell their story. But this does not look like either of those. Sounds like photo is manipulated anyways, sounds like still worth a read.

 

[Randy Bradford]

I'll post on this shortly...lots to throw back, but if you're familiar with Gordon Smith's mummy cave it's all the same, just a different slant on the same story.

 

[Azquester]

Here's a link too another thread and an Aztec Map check it out.

http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/treasure-legends-arizona/213664-iron-door-mine.html

 

[rangler]

greetings argonauts and trackers, Nice post Randy

From a guy who only works with Jesuit code, and from that prospective it does look intelligent and comprehensive in that it tells a story of what where and how...now this is a bit of fun, and certainly a Wild Ass Guess [WAG]
so presented here from your perusal...and enjoyment

ps:the question I have is what was used to make these marks, it looks like a paintbrush or a felt tip marker~! not chiseled
brings the idea of a photo shop-don't know but looks very unnatural ie not chiseled on stone with hammer and chisel.......

so if you add the 20 from the T and the 21 from the U you get 41 which when added = 5, silver, then the small case letter g being the 7th
letter of the alphabet, and that letter kinda ends in a seven,[confirmation of reading the "g"correctly] meaning camp with another 7 clearly at the end meaning gold,
so the circle of the g tells you to go a round the mountain to a campsite where you will find monuments leading to gold and silver, but beware the scorpion is
telling of a deathtrap, that circle is topographical which most maps have to have..to be real maps..very fun, no negative statements are necessary as I said its a guess, nothing more, and lots of fun to puzzle these things out.ha rangler
The confirmation speaks of Jesuits as this was their main m.o. and the letters T&U could I say could mean or stand for Treasure Under, they really dig that kind of thing as well, you know , anagrams, and optical illusions it is a reach I know but hey it is there.

 

[Shortstack]

Aztec markings / carving, etc were more "artistic" too were they not? More like actual art pictures / symbols. Versus Native Americans which kept things simple to tell their story. But this does not look like either of those. Sounds like photo is manipulated anyways, sounds like still worth a read.

I agree with you about the Aztec writings being pictographic in nature. Also, I watched a recent program on T.V. that had some good reasoning and evidence supporting the theory that the original home of the Aztecs was in the 4 Corners area in the present United States. In effect, the Aztecs began HERE and migrated south, into Mexico as well as some going east. The Natchez Indians of the Natchez, Mississippi area, were thought to be a group with Aztec origins, due to their dress, spiritual beliefs and practices, and the names given to their chief.

 

[Randy Bradford]

This appeared in "The Institute News Magazine," a treasure newspaper published by Gene Ballinger some years ago. This version reads a lot like Smith's Mummy Cave, comes from the same time period, and includes specific names and places that the Smith Mummy Cave story omitted. (Dec. 1997)

Careful examination of this glyph (highlighted on the photograph) indicates great care in incising the characters which are not of a type generally associated with the Aztec culture. However, rumors circulating among professional researchers maintain that this, and other identical petroglyphs, are the latchkey to unlocking the secret to the whereabouts of the hidden wealth of the Aztec.

Rumors are flying in professional treasure hunting circles and among certain archaeological researchers that one of the largest, if not the largest, sought after treasure hoard in the continental United States has been found and in part, is being recovered as this is written.

Were speaking of the immense wealth of the Aztec that which Montezuma (Moctezuma) allegedly ordered moved and hidden in 1519 to avoid having it being seized be Fernando Cortez and his invading Spanish army of conquest.

There has always been conjecture about just when Montezuma ordered the bulk of the Aztec nations wealth moved from Tenochtitlan (Mexico City), but most historians believe it was in the spring of 1520.

Although unable to date, Hopi Amerindian oral legends and identified petroglyph panels, tell of a force of 2,000 brightly attired, well armed warriors, strangers to the Hopi people, and as many slaves bearing heavy loads, passing through their lands from the south to north. No petroglyphs or legends indicate that the entourage ever returned through their lands.

Cortez and his entourage had been laden with golden gifts by Montezuma in an effort to entice Cortez to leave, that only spurred Cortez on, and the rest is history.

Ill not go into the lengthy background of the Conquest during 1519-20 other than to state that Montezuma was killed by his own people June 27, 1520. Montezumas successor, Cuitlahuac died of smallpox after only eighty days in command, he was succeeded by Cuahtemoc, Montezumas son-in-law.

Tenochtitlan fell to the Spaniards and their Indian allies on August 13, 1521 with much of the original city being destroyed before Cortezs siege ended.

There are many excellent reference works available that deal with the Conquest and afterward, available to those interested in learning more about the Aztec people, Montezuma and Cortez.

Spanish records of the time clearly indicate their knowledge that the bulk of the Aztec treasury was removed.

Testifying to the huge amount of gold, silver , and jewels, that must have been removed was the amount that had already been given to the Spaniards along with what they did seize, immense wealth beyond the Spaniards wildest dreams but they found out too late that what was already gone constituted the bulk of what could have been theirs.

Although the Spanish searched for the missing treasure, tortured and/or killed untold numbers of natives and traveled thousands of miles they never found more than a hint of where what became known as Montezumas Treasure may have gone.

They did believe it went north, and searched endlessly in that direction.

And ever since 1521, the treasure hunt has been on.

Over the years there have been bits and pieces of information indicating that a very small portion of that treasure may have been accidentally found, or at least seen and identified. But with little exception, nothing much has ever been made public from private or government sources.

Sparse reports of persons actually having knowledge, seeing, or recovering, anything related to the treasure have surfaced over they ears, and of those only one or two could be verified to any degree.

One such discovery, in 1804 and told in a privately published journal in 1823, tells in part what was found in northern New Mexico by a Mexican goat herder who found a cave sealed with rocks and boulders that purportedly contained mummified remains of men with weapons and wearing clothing identical to that of the Aztec warrior including quilted fabric body armor; short swords (clubs) with saw teeth of obsidian; javelins & atlatas (spearthrowers).

Also in the cave were several tightly sewn tanned dearskins (with the hair tanned on the skin, an Aztec trademark) that acted as repositories for worked gold ornaments; raw gold; intricately cut and polished gems and other items of value.

The journal, written in archaic Spanish, said nothing of what may have happened to anything found in the cave.

During the 1930s there was a published newspaper reference made to a search being made in northern Arizona for a cave that supposedly contained gold and relics hidden by the Aztecs but nothing further was ever published about the matter as far as is known.

Over the years there have been other claims and searches made throughout much of the west including an occasional treasure story in one magazine or another, but none have ever made claim that anything was ever found.

It has been known in professional circles for years that at least three different small groups have devoted a great deal of time and money to research in Spain, Mexico and the western U.S. in an effort to either refute the whole story or recover as much as possible of that which had been hidden.

Then four years ago a short-lived wire news report out of Utah raised more than a few eyebrows.

Seems that a ranch hand, while hunting in a rugged and remote part of the state, sat down to have a smoke. He tethered his horse, sat down on a boulder and rolled a cigarette.

In so doing, he noticed cold air coming from beneath the boulder he was sitting on.

To make a long story short, he rolled the boulder over and found that it was covering a small cave entrance. He had rope with him, and dropped himself down into the cave.

Inside, according to his statements, he found several mummified bodies in full dress regalia of an Aztec warrior, body armor, clothing and weapons all of the Aztec-Cortez period aligned against one side of the cave (he described the cave as long and narrow) were tightly sewn deer hides.

Cutting one open, he said gold ornaments and gems fell out.

This man did things a bit differently. He went to town, contacted the local T.V. station, discussed the matter with a reporter, and made arrangements to have the cave and contents photographed, video-taped and corroborated by the station.

Apparently at this point, someone from the station contacted the Bureau of Land Management (BLM) to ascertain something or other, the BLM got into the act because the cave may have been on public lands administered by the BLM, and the ranch hand said no dice.

He said he had no faith in, trust in, or time for, the BLM or any government official and would not take anyone to the location, and that included anyone from the T.V. station if they were going to include the BLM.

And thats where the story ended kinda.

What follows is a compilation of facts based on information gathered from several reliable sources with the understanding that nothing will be published that might in any manner compromise the current ongoing recovery effort of those involved until such time as approval is given to do so.

In other words it is being handled no differently than The Institutes standard refusal to disclose locations of petroglyph or pictograph sites, other archaeological sites or historical locations that are on private or public lands that private land owners do not want disclosed, or if on public lands, would possibly create circumstances wherein disclosure of the site or location might invite vandalism or other unwanted attention.

We cannot guarantee the validity of this information other than to advise that from all appearances it is correct.

We understand that eleven (11) separate locations, all believed to hold portions of that which Montezuma ordered removed from Tenochtitlan and transported away from harms way (the Spaniards) have been identified. Each was identified by an extraordinary standing alone petroglyph found within 500 yards of a sealed cave entrance.

Of the eleven locations, six are on privately held land, five are on public lands, all in four western states. Arizona, Utah, Nevada and New Mexico.

There are no plans at this time to attempt recovery from those locations on public lands that have been identified (two on state administered lands, three on federally administered).

Contracts have been made with all private land owners for recovery, monetary arrangements, professional artifact preservation, and archaeological considerations.

No estimate of value has been given other than it is believed to surpass any known land treasure recovery that has been authenticated in the continental Untied States.

We understand that among items already recovered are solid gold sun disks, ornamental gold head dresses, gold and silver icons, gold nuggets, raw gold (identified as placer and vein) in quills, polished and unpolished gem stones, ceremonial weapons including gold-silver-obsidian-turquoise inlaid knives, gold amulets, gold gem mounted arm, waist and forehead bands and extremely finely worked gold necklaces and chains.

The above list is incomplete for numerous reasons.

We are given to understand that the singular petroglyph that apparently was the final clue to each site location was first identified on a boulder discovered some 70 years ago in northern Sonora, Mexico.

The different petroglyph stood out among several others, all of which are similar to glyphs found in codices of the post-Conquest period except the one that stood out. This was significant to the researchers involved because there are only fourteen (14) pre-Conquest codices (non-phonetic rebus) in existence with four hundred post-Conquest codices known.

What this meant, at least to the researchers, was that the glyphs on the boulder were incised before the Conquest had been accomplished. What the singular petroglyph meant though, because it was not anything like those found in the codices, was quite another matter.

It was not until an identical glyph was found in Utah in 1993 that bells started ringing.

We are not privy to what led those involved to the 11 sites reported, but are told that the same incised glyph is found near each of the locations.

We were given one photograph showing an incised glyph and given to understand that this is one of the marker petroglyphs. The glyph itself has been outlined on the photograph so that it would reproduce for this article.

There are actually three parts to the glyph and no one associated with The Institute has ever seen a petroglyph with the configuration of this one before.

We also understand that each of the 11 glyphs thus far located is well hidden and chances of accidentally finding them are slim.

Unanswered questions abound of course, and we may wait awhile before any answers are forthcoming, if ever.

We are given to understand that there is no more than 12 to 15 mummified remains in those caves entered thus far that hardly accounts for 2,000 Aztec warriors or their slaves.

How many different locations are there? Is there one or two large depositories and several smaller ones? Did some or most of the warriors return back to Tenochtitlan and report back to Montezuma? Did Montezumas successors know all the details? Have other depositories been found and contents removed over the last 477 years?

Well just have to wait and see.

Is it true? Yes we believe so.

Do the rock speak? Answer that one for yourself.

 

[bob632]

It's sabean script, used by jewish priests around the time of the babylonian captivity.

http://books.google.com/books?id=X9...zAL7OKAjSFqPXrc0Tjg&ci=138,592,828,700&edge=0

Sabbaths: an inquiry into the origin of septenary institutions and the ... - Robert Cox - Google Books

This one is referring to a "wizard" someone that speaks to the spirit world.

I might consider posting the direct link, but you all can go "around the mountain" to find this one.

Edit:

the "experts" around this place will never find it, so, being the nice guy I am (unlike the rest of you) I will point you in the right direction>

http://books.google.com/books?id=dt...gbBv-nUCetR-OZS9sTe5g&ci=59,11,705,327&edge=0

 

[Shortstack]

Hmmmmm, The Travels of the Jesuits in Ethiopia. Now, there are also a bunch of books about the Jesuits in North America that are digitized in the on-line library of the University of Pennsylvania. The website is called, The On-line Books Page. Tricky title, heh? LOL You can find a lot of interesting reading at this library.
Here's the link:

The Online Books Page


EDIT: I just went to this page and put in the search word, "Jesuits" and got a boatload of books listed. I spotted one titles, Secret Instructions of the Jesuits, that I just had to check out. The first page is shown in this screen shot and check out the Jesuit maxim, "Swear--Foreswear--and the truth deny". Cheez, what is THAT all about?? And, it says the Jesuits were founded in 1540.

 

[dog the treasure hunter]

Just curious if anyone has seen a symbol like this before or has any idea what it might mean. Some of you might recognize it because it ran in a treasure publication with a story. I'm just curious what people who might not be influenced by the story might have seen or think about the symbol. Story goes there are 11 of these bad boys scattered throughout the midwest. Your help is appreciated...

k

hum, I hope this is a stone version of that symbol .View attachment 939067

 

[bonuntr]

Randy...
I will go through some photos that I took near Montezuma creek a couple of years back. Similar markings, with others around them. The one looks like a stem of a flower with three leaves, missing the flower head. I will start going through the photos this afternoon and post a couple. Interesting...