Bloody Hands...What Was There?

[Randy Bradford]

I've done a lot of reading recently on VP, and the subject of Bloody Hands and the alleged Thanksgiving recovery in the early 1970s comes up a lot, but never in much detail. There seems to be a lot of speculation about what the purpose of the "mission" was and what was found. As best I can recall, the most common motifs are:

1) Nothing was recovered, the purpose was to record the Bloody Hands panel, believed by some to be a treasure map, and then destroy it to prevent others from utilizing it.

2) Gold bars were recovered, small enough to suggest Bloody Hands had been used as one of Doc Noss' cache sites.

3) Gold bars were recovered in significant quantities, leaving some to believe VP was a ruse and Bloody Hands was in fact the true location of the thousands of gold bars (or perhaps a second enormous cache, irrespective of the one in VP).

4) Significant Gold Bars AND an entrance to a tunnel that leads back to VP where even more gold bars were cached.

Assuming any of these are true, what would have led to interest in the Bloody Hands site in the first place? Why would some party be interested in searching there nearly 40 years after the initial VP discovery and all the efforts being carried out on the peak? I assume someone came by some new information, but is anything known about the origin of that information?

 

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[sdcfia]

These Hembrillo Basin pictographs are red ochre and black charcoal creations by the Apaches. The "Bloody Hands" panel, like numerous similar examples in Apacheria, memorialized significant historic battle sites - in this case likely the 1880 skirmish between Victorio's warriors and the US Cavalry. These photos are by American Rock Art Research Association, taken in 2016.

VP lore alleges that the pictographs mark a directly adjacent hidden entrance to a subsurface location containing a cache of gold bullion. Some claim that the pictographs were destroyed in order to remove the marker of the entrance. The photos were taken only eight years ago, so one might reasonably assume they still exist.

That said, Gollum has specific information about the alleged hidden entrance from an interview and sketch with a supposed well-informed person. You probably need to contact Mike directly for those details.

 

[mdog]

These Hembrillo Basin pictographs are red ochre and black charcoal creations by the Apaches. The "Bloody Hands" panel, like numerous similar examples in Apacheria, memorialized significant historic battle sites - in this case likely the 1880 skirmish between Victorio's warriors and the US Cavalry. These photos are by American Rock Art Research Association, taken in 2016.
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VP lore alleges that the pictographs mark a directly adjacent hidden entrance to a subsurface location containing a cache of gold bullion. Some claim that the pictographs were destroyed in order to remove the marker of the entrance. The photos were taken only eight years ago, so one might reasonably assume they still exist.

That said, Gollum has specific information about the alleged hidden entrance from an interview and sketch with a supposed well-informed person. You probably need to contact Mike directly for those details.

Sdcfia, do you have a location for this place?

 

[sdcfia]

Sdcfia, do you have a location for this place?

Unfortunately, no. You might try to contact someone at this website - they may have the coordinates in their files. Southern New Mexico Explorer

 

[Gare]

Great Pictures

 

[mdog]

Unfortunately, no. You might try to contact someone at this website - they may have the coordinates in their files. Southern New Mexico Explorer

I'll try that. Thank you very much.

 

[mdog]

It looks like the site is just under a mile NE of Victorio Peak.

“Bloody hands” pictographs likely created by the earlier Mogollon cultures that lived throughout New Mexico prior to Spanish contact.

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[EEx]

It looks like the site is just under a mile NE of Victorio Peak.

“Bloody hands” pictographs likely created by the earlier Mogollon cultures that lived throughout New Mexico prior to Spanish contact.

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32.938113° -106.630223° There are actually much more interesting pictographs nearby, from an ethnographic perspective. But, In some audio I have been given recorded with some Noss family survivors during Goldfinder, they mention 1) a wild man who would come to Doc's camp on the Jornada, and 2) winged devils and winged Angels. The latter may be what they are referring to which match the other pictographs. The former - just weird.

 

[autofull]

32.938113° -106.630223° There are actually much more interesting pictographs nearby, from an ethnographic perspective. But, In some audio I have been given recorded with some Noss family survivors during Goldfinder, they mention 1) a wild man who would come to Doc's camp on the Jornada, and 2) winged devils and winged Angels. The latter may be what they are referring to which match the other pictographs. The former - just weird.

keep it coming as i am sucking up this info. i love the bloody hands ballad and heist.