🥇 BANNER Bottle with a note inside 5 to 6 inches deep in the ground.

[Roger Mn.]

This bottle had an aluminum cap that was glued to a cork in the top. I hit the top and broke it off .Update--->
What i thought was cork was paper that was stuffed in the end of the bottle and it looked like cork.
Not glued like i thought.
It looks like the paper inside the bottle was holding the cap and wasn't screwed on tight.


The cap say's FRUIT INDUSTRIES LTD

Federal law forbids sale or reuse of this bottle .
The bottom has R-421 and an R in a triangle and 1-6 .

one side has a 180 and the other side has 5 .

The paper in the small neck is damp and past the small neck the paper is larger so the only way i can get it out is break it so i might do it if the bottle hasen't much value.

 

[jeff of pa]

So, building on what others have suggested, heres a possible interpretation -

If the pages weren't in the correct order it could make some sense.

Page 2
ARTY KENDY
FRANK ROLLAND
BOSS 36
1936
FRANK HUBECHEK
CHIPOWA FALLS
WISCONSIN SALONIST.
1900
1910
----- (divider line drawn on page)
FRANK ROLLAND
FRANK HUBECHECK
ANTON HOLETS
FARM
1895
1899
----- (divider line drawn on page)
ITS THE ONES HERE
JUST THE SAME TALK SAME
GIRL ROBBED ME AS I LOOKED AT HER

(I think the note at the bottom of this page could have been done in hind-sight as opposed to the start of his narrative.
I think the narrative could have started with the continued list of people involved)

Page 4
ROLLAND GIRL, ZAHRADNIK WIFE, JOE HOLETS WIFE, HOUSE TOO
ALL WERE READY TO DRIVE ME IN THERE OR
SMASH MY HEAD WITH A ROCK
IF ROLLAND NOT GET BE BOSS

(here he lists the female counterparts to the males he works with who is in conflict with over the boss position.
The females are driving him into the (yet unmentioned cabin) under threat of smashing his head in to facilitate Rolland becoming boss
presumably while the men folk are gone to work during the day)

DRUNK ROLLAND CAME TO LOG CABIN
CRYING ME GREEN HORN WANTED TO STEAL (stash?) HIS COTTAGE AND EVERY THING

(Rolland shows up to the cabin drunk and calls the note-writer a greenhorn and berates him for usurping the boss position Rolland believes should go to himself. the "cottage" being a benefit of the position)

Page 3
WAS GOING TO SHOOT ME WITH A 38 REVOLVER

(Rolland drunk at the cabin was going to)

SO THEY MAKE ME STAND A LOG CABIN ALL DAY AND
IF I DID NOT SO THEY COULD SHOOT ME AT ONCE

(now that Rolland has shown up drunk with the gun the note-writer is being held
under threat of being shot, not just smashed in the head with rocks by the women folk)

ROLLAND IN.
ZAHRADNIK IN

MILK WAGON 1896
YELLING IN ROAD
HE SEE ABOUT IT

(These two threatened him not to leave the cabin or he will be shot... maybe?)

I HAD TO GO IN THERE THE NEXT DAY ALL DAY SO

Page 5
HE GET TO FIX IT SO HE BE BOSS HERE

(they kept him in the cabin the whole next day so Rolland could take the boss position)

THE NEXT DAY HE TOLD THEM, ZAHRADNIK HE SEE ABOUT IT

(Rolland told someone (the females?) Zahradnik would take care of the note-writer for good)

KINDLY (kinda) FUNNEY ANY WAY

(here he expresses the irony of his escape)

THAT MEANS HE KILLED ME IF THEY COULD NOT DROVE ME IN THERE

(that means Zahradnik was going to kill him if they could (but note-writer escaped), not keep him hidden any longer)

THE NIGHT BEFORE ME HID BY HOUSE SO THEY DIDNT CATCH ME AND KILL ME

(So somehow he escapes the night before the were going to kill him, hides and gets away (maybe someone sympathetic to his situation,
it could also explain how he knew they had decided to kill him)


Just a theory

sounds very close / Plausible

 

[BIGSCOTT]

someone posted a map with ccc camp locations for Minnesota dated Nov. 5th 1934, I scoured the map and couldnt find 1774-v on it, but it was in
the legend beside it it said Ely so I said theres our iowa connection but ccc was never close to Ely putnam county iowa, so I looked for an Ely Minnesota
and there it was right close to Virginia Minnesota, lots of groups did time at Ely Minnesota so either they did a lot of work there or it was a training camp
of sorts maybe a stepping off place.

 

[Iron Buzz]

Nope, at the time we were investigating a Chippewa Falls connection, Frank Hubechek. I have not been able to locate a source for the same info pertaining to Minnesota camps.

Yep, that definitely sucks.

The only Chippewa Falls connection that I can see is that the note mentions that Frank Hubechek had a saloon there in 1900-1910. Since the bottle was from the 30's, and the note also mentions 1936, I think that connection is fruitless. The bottle was found in Rochester... it is my belief, at least, that our mystery takes place there. Why else write the note and stick it in a bottle in Rochester unless the situation was happening at that time and place?

I can see that the Iowa connection could be useful in knowing that is how this group of men (and wifes/girlfriends) originally knew each other, and possibly(?) joined the CCC together. But Chippewa Falls?... not so much.

 

[BIGSCOTT]

I agree, something ive been checking on is after rochester 1774-v moved to Bayport Minnesota, a suburb of minneapolis.

 

[Ditlihi]

The only Chippewa Falls connection that I can see is that the note mentions that Frank Hubechek had a saloon there in 1900-1910. Since the bottle was from the 30's, and the note also mentions 1936, I think that connection is fruitless. The bottle was found in Rochester... it is my belief, at least, that our mystery takes place there. Why else write the note and stick it in a bottle in Rochester unless the situation was happening at that time and place?

I can see that the Iowa connection could be useful in knowing that is how this group of men (and wifes/girlfriends) originally knew each other, and possibly(?) joined the CCC together. But Chippewa Falls?... not so much.

I concur, in view of the erroneous document search and your confirmation of no actual connection through the CCC document. But in the same instance, that pretty much means any connection at all to the CCC evaporates as well. To my knowledge, we have yet to produce a roster in any of the aforementioned states that might prove out that scenario. So back to square one, could they be CCC connected? Possibly, we know there was a camp near Quarry Hill, where the bottle was found. But without documentation putting them there....it leaves little room for further speculation.

As for Frank Hubechek the saloon owner, do we have any documentation that would suggest it is the same man as found in Iowa? Could be two entirely different men altogether. In fact, I believe we turned up several of them...one who was a saloon owner in Chippewa Falls, a servant to a butcher in Chippewa County, an attorney cum art conservator, and another residing next door to Anton Holets. Will the real Frank Hubechek please stand up? Lol

Out of all of them, I would have to agree that the connection between the latter is the only real lead to solving this mystery. CCC, Hobo camp, Hospital employee/patient, Union workers, or just out of work farmers....all are possibilities. And the BIG question....who is ME? There just isn't enough information in the note to answer all our questions. Everything we've come up with is supposition at this point.

Respectfully, I would pursue Bramblefind's chain of evidence. It's the only solid lead we have found to date.


(Edited to change Frank the servant's location to Chippewa County, not Chippewa Falls.)

 

[Bramblefind]

As for Frank Hubechek the saloon owner, do we have any documentation that would suggest it is the same man as found in Iowa? Could be two entirely different men altogether. In fact, I believe we turned up several of them...one who was a saloon owner in Chippewa, a servant to a butcher, also in Chippewa, an attorney cum art conservator, and another residing next door to Anton Holets. Will the real Frank Hubechek please stand up? Lol

I have records that help show the Chippewa Falls and Linn Co, Iowa Frank Hubachek are one and the same - I'll try to be as brief as I can but this is long.

Here is the 1895 Census Linn Co Iowa which shows him as the son of John Hubachek, also note he has a (twin?) brother John listed in the census and his mother is "Vincencie" (this will match in later records with variants).

Frank Hubacek
Iowa State Census, 1895
Name Frank Hubacek
Event Type Census
Event Date 1895
Event Place Linn, Iowa, United States
Gender Male
Birth Year (Estimated) 1877
Household
Role
Sex
Age
Birthplace
John Hubacek M 49
Vincencie Hubacek F 40
Frank Hubacek M 18
John Hubacek M 18
Anna Hubacek F 16
Vaclav Hubacek M 11
William Hubacek M 8
Charles Hubacek M 2

Here is the family now in O'Brien Co. Iowa in 1900

Name: John Hubcheck
Age: 55
Birth Date: Jan 1845
Birthplace: Bohemia
Home in 1900: Lincoln, O´Brien, Iowa
House Number: 6
Sheet Number: 19A
Number of Dwelling in Order of Visitation: 243
Family Number: 243
Race: White
Gender: Male
Immigration Year: 1875
Relation to Head of House: Head
Marital Status: Married
Spouse's Name: Nancy Hubcheck
Marriage Year: 1865
Years Married: 35
Father's Birthplace: Bohemia
Mother's Birthplace: Bohemia
Years in US: 25
Naturalization: Na
Occupation: Farmer
Months not employed: 0
Can Read: Yes
Can Write: Yes
Can Speak English: Yes
House Owned or Rented: O
Home Free or Mortgaged: M
Farm or House: F
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
John Hubcheck 55
Nancy Hubcheck 45
Frank Hubcheck 23
John Hubcheck 23
Wes Hubcheck 16
William Hubcheck 13
Charles Hubcheck 7



Here is the 1904 marriage record for that Frank Hubacek to Mary Dvorak, he has moved to Osceola Co. Iowa at this time-

Name Frank Hubachek
Event Type Marriage
Event Date 17 Aug 1904
Event Place Sibley, Osceola, Iowa, United States
Gender Male
Age 27
Birth Year (Estimated) 1877
Father's Name John Hubachek
Mother's Name Nancy Washek
Spouse's Name Mary Dvorak
Spouse's Gender Female
Spouse's Age 20
Spouse's Birth Year (Estimated) 1884
Spouse's Father's Name Joseph Dvorak
Spouse's Mother's Name Francis Rydl

Here is his brother John's marriage record from 1909 in Cedar Rapids, Linn Co. Note the mother's last name to help confirm.

Name John Hubachek
Event Type Marriage
Event Date 22 Jun 1909
Event Place Cedar Rapids, Linn, Iowa, United States
Gender Male
Age 33
Birth Year (Estimated) 1876
Father's Name John Hubachek
Mother's Name Vincent Wasek
Spouse's Name Anna Faltis Bartos
Spouse's Gender Female
Spouse's Age 34
Spouse's Birth Year (Estimated) 1875
Spouse's Father's Name Frank Faltis
Spouse's Mother's Name Tracy Martinec

Now here is the delayed birth record for his son Clarence in 1905, Osceola, Iowa

Name Frank Hubachek
gender Male
Wife Mary Dvorak
Son Clarence Hubachek
Other information in the record of Clarence Hubachek
from Iowa, Delayed Birth Records
Name Clarence Hubachek
Event Type Birth
Event Date 03 Jun 1905
Event Place Melvin, Osceola, Iowa, United States
Event Place (Original) Melvin, Osceola, Iowa
Gender M
Father's Name Frank Hubachek
Mother's Name Mary Dvorak

And here is the 1910 Census record for the Frank Hubachek in Chippewa Falls. Note birth in Iowa, wife Mary (born Iowa) and son Clarence (born Iowa).

Frank Hubechek
United States Census, 1910
Name Frank Hubechek
Event Type Census
Event Date 1910
Event Place Howard, Chippewa, Wisconsin, United States
Gender Male
Age 31
Marital Status Married
Race White
Race (Original) White
Relationship to Head of Household Servant
Relationship to Head of Household (Original) Servant
Birth Year (Estimated) 1879
Birthplace Iowa
Father's Birthplace Bohemia
Mother's Birthplace Bohemia
Sheet Letter B
Sheet Number 5
Household
Role
Sex
Age
Birthplace
John Wagnor Head M 46 Illinois
Frank Hubechek Servant M 31 Iowa
Mary Hubechek Cook F 25 Iowa
Clarence Hubechek Boarder M 4 Iowa
Lewis Hubechek Boarder M 3 Wisconsin

 

[Ditlihi]

I have records that help show the Chippewa Falls and Linn Co, Iowa Frank Hubachek are one and the same - I'll try to be as brief as I can but this is long.

Here is the 1895 Census Linn Co Iowa which shows him as the son of John Hubachek, also note he has a (twin?) brother John listed in the census and his mother is "Vincencie" (this will match in later records with variants).

Frank Hubacek
Iowa State Census, 1895
Name Frank Hubacek
Event Type Census
Event Date 1895
Event Place Linn, Iowa, United States
Gender Male
Birth Year (Estimated) 1877
Household
Role
Sex
Age
Birthplace
John Hubacek M 49
Vincencie Hubacek F 40
Frank Hubacek M 18
John Hubacek M 18
Anna Hubacek F 16
Vaclav Hubacek M 11
William Hubacek M 8
Charles Hubacek M 2

Here is the family now in O'Brien Co. Iowa in 1900

Name: John Hubcheck
Age: 55
Birth Date: Jan 1845
Birthplace: Bohemia
Home in 1900: Lincoln, O´Brien, Iowa
House Number: 6
Sheet Number: 19A
Number of Dwelling in Order of Visitation: 243
Family Number: 243
Race: White
Gender: Male
Immigration Year: 1875
Relation to Head of House: Head
Marital Status: Married
Spouse's Name: Nancy Hubcheck
Marriage Year: 1865
Years Married: 35
Father's Birthplace: Bohemia
Mother's Birthplace: Bohemia
Years in US: 25
Naturalization: Na
Occupation: Farmer
Months not employed: 0
Can Read: Yes
Can Write: Yes
Can Speak English: Yes
House Owned or Rented: O
Home Free or Mortgaged: M
Farm or House: F
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
John Hubcheck 55
Nancy Hubcheck 45
Frank Hubcheck 23
John Hubcheck 23
Wes Hubcheck 16
William Hubcheck 13
Charles Hubcheck 7



Here is the 1904 marriage record for that Frank Hubacek to Mary Dvorak, he has moved to Osceola Co. Iowa at this time-

Name Frank Hubachek
Event Type Marriage
Event Date 17 Aug 1904
Event Place Sibley, Osceola, Iowa, United States
Gender Male
Age 27
Birth Year (Estimated) 1877
Father's Name John Hubachek
Mother's Name Nancy Washek
Spouse's Name Mary Dvorak
Spouse's Gender Female
Spouse's Age 20
Spouse's Birth Year (Estimated) 1884
Spouse's Father's Name Joseph Dvorak
Spouse's Mother's Name Francis Rydl

Here is his brother John's marriage record from 1909 in Cedar Rapids, Linn Co. Note the mother's last name to help confirm.

Name John Hubachek
Event Type Marriage
Event Date 22 Jun 1909
Event Place Cedar Rapids, Linn, Iowa, United States
Gender Male
Age 33
Birth Year (Estimated) 1876
Father's Name John Hubachek
Mother's Name Vincent Wasek
Spouse's Name Anna Faltis Bartos
Spouse's Gender Female
Spouse's Age 34
Spouse's Birth Year (Estimated) 1875
Spouse's Father's Name Frank Faltis
Spouse's Mother's Name Tracy Martinec

Now here is the delayed birth record for his son Clarence in 1905, Osceola, Iowa

Name Frank Hubachek
gender Male
Wife Mary Dvorak
Son Clarence Hubachek
Other information in the record of Clarence Hubachek
from Iowa, Delayed Birth Records
Name Clarence Hubachek
Event Type Birth
Event Date 03 Jun 1905
Event Place Melvin, Osceola, Iowa, United States
Event Place (Original) Melvin, Osceola, Iowa
Gender M
Father's Name Frank Hubachek
Mother's Name Mary Dvorak

And here is the 1910 Census record for the Frank Hubachek in Chippewa Falls. Note birth in Iowa, wife Mary (born Iowa) and son Clarence (born Iowa).

Frank Hubechek
United States Census, 1910
Name Frank Hubechek
Event Type Census
Event Date 1910
Event Place Howard, Chippewa, Wisconsin, United States
Gender Male
Age 31
Marital Status Married
Race White
Race (Original) White
Relationship to Head of Household Servant
Relationship to Head of Household (Original) Servant
Birth Year (Estimated) 1879
Birthplace Iowa
Father's Birthplace Bohemia
Mother's Birthplace Bohemia
Sheet Letter B
Sheet Number 5
Household
Role
Sex
Age
Birthplace
John Wagnor Head M 46 Illinois
Frank Hubechek Servant M 31 Iowa
Mary Hubechek Cook F 25 Iowa
Clarence Hubechek Boarder M 4 Iowa
Lewis Hubechek Boarder M 3 Wisconsin

If I am not mistaken, this would mean it's the Frank who was a servant to John Wagner, in Howard, Chippewa County. Am I understanding correctly?

And excellent work, Bramble, kudos!

 

[Ditlihi]

If this is correct, then we have identified three of the people mentioned in the note, Frank Hubechek, Anton Holets, and Anton's wife ( I believe you found her name elsewhere, wasn't it Anna? ).


Edit: Do you have the following years census for Frank or Anton?

 

[Bramblefind]

Anna Zahradnik was Anton Holets' wife. There is a Joe Holets in the area too. But I haven't been able to find a good enough candidate for "Frank Rolland". I have run down a few different leads and haven't ruled them all out yet but don't think they are worthy of posting here until I find something more conclusive.

I am not ruling out some kind of cross over into Minnesota with these people. The bottle being found there and the date of the bottle is definitely significant.

One crazy thought I had is since they were farming that area for the State Hospital before it became a park maybe they brought in soil or fertilizer etc. from Iowa and the bottle somehow got transferred there that way. But that still doesn't explain the 1930s bottle date and the events seeming to date to much earlier.

What census records are you looking for?

 

[Ditlihi]

Yes, that was it, Anna Zahradnik. And we're assuming that Yoheadrick was a *******ization of Zahradnik, right? At least for now. So now we have Frank Hubechek, Joe Holets, Anton Holets, Joe's wife, and Anton's wife...all mentioned in the note.

Now, speaking of crazy theories, lol...I have one that's been in the back of my mind from the beginning. And that is that Frank Rolland and Frank Hubechek could have been the same person. Perhaps Frank H. was using Rolland as an alias, and that is what the writer of the note meant by " they are the same, talk same ". Is it possible that the writer was describing a hold up/robbery, where he recognised Frank from somewhere else (Iowa)?

The census I was asking about would be the 1920 and 1930 censuses. For both Holets and Frank Hubechek.

 

[Iron Buzz]

I have records that help show the Chippewa Falls and Linn Co, Iowa Frank Hubachek are one and the same - I'll try to be as brief as I can but this is long.

Amazing work, Bramblefind! Marking down as facts in my running document:

Edit: Deleted my "facts". They were wrong, and not helpful

 

[Ditlihi]

Amazing work, Bramblefind! Marking down as facts in my running document: FRANK HUBECHEK'S YOUNGER SISTER, ANNA, MARRIED ANTON HOLETS. BOTH GREW UP IN LINN CO, IOWA. FRANK DID OWN A SALOON IN CHIPPEWA FALLS. ALSO JOE HOLETS, AND HIS AND ATON'S WIVES.

What am I missing here? I thought Bramblefind just said that Anton married Anna Zahradnik. Was Frank Hubechek's sister's last name Zahradnik?

Also, how do we connect Frank Hubechek, the servant living in Howard ( not Chippewa Falls, but Chippewa County ), Wisconsin....to the Frank Hubechek, Saloon Owner, in Chippewa Falls? How do we know it's the same Frank, what did I miss?

 

[Ammoman]

Ok...i truly believe it was colonel Mustard in the kitchen with the candle stick.

 

[Roger Mn.]

The St. Hospital was just north of 4 St. SE and i think all the old buildings are gone.
Were i found the bottle would be around 10 St. NE. and head west into the woods about a city block.
A block farther north of that i think was a small Quarry. The big Quarry was west and south of the state hospital Cemetery.
So the place was at least 15 blocks north of the State Hospital. I cant say if all that land was part of the state hospital or Quarry hill back
in the 1930's or came part of Quarry hill later on.

 

[Ditlihi]

The St. Hospital was just north of 4 St. SE and i think all the old buildings are gone.
Were i found the bottle would be around 10 St. NE. and head west into the woods about a city block.
A block farther north of that i think was a small Quarry. The big Quarry was west and south of the state hospital Cemetery.
So the place was at least 15 blocks north of the State Hospital. I cant say if all that land was part of the state hospital or Quarry hill back
in the 1930's or came part of Quarry hill later on.

Isn't that about the approximate location of the CCC camp? I'll have to go back through and find the map that was posted earlier...hmmm. And didn't you say something about finding it near an old slaughterhouse?

 

[Bramblefind]

Also, how do we connect Frank Hubechek, the servant living in Howard ( not Chippewa Falls, but Chippewa County ), Wisconsin....to the Frank Hubechek, Saloon Owner, in Chippewa Falls? How do we know it's the same Frank, what did I miss?

There are no other Frank Hubacheks in Chippewa Falls or Chippewa County that I could find in this time period. There is a Frank Hubachek listed as a "laborer" (no reference to a saloon at all) in the 1911 Chippewa Falls directory - the only directories available in Ancestry for Chippewa Falls are 1907, 1911, 1914, 1917, 1920, 1923, 1926, 1929.

I think the 1911 listing is for the same as the 1907 Saloon Frank Hubachek and the same as the 1910 Census listing for Chippewa County. He does not appear at all in the directories for 1914 or 1917.

However, Frank Hubachek's 1917 WWI draft registration lists him as a farmer in Cadott, Chippewa County and the death record for his son Otto indicates he was born in Cadott, Chippewa County.

Sometimes you have to make a bit of a leap. For me it is a small one to assume that all the Frank Hubachek listings in Chippewa County and Chippewa Falls, WI circa 1907-1917 are the same man.

I was further convinced that he is the same as connected to the notes when I traced him to Linn Co. Iowa and saw that the names Holets and Zahradnik were also in that same small area.

If you find something else as convincing I would be happy to take a look at it.

 

[BIGSCOTT]

I did find another frank hubachek but i distiguised him from our frank because his wifes name was stella

but yeah you guys found the same things i did, frank was born in the late 1870's in linn co. iowa and remains there until about 1906
he is then in wisconsin untill about 1917- 1919
1920 census has him in osceola iowa
1930 Bigham trail North Dakota
1940 eldarado North Dakota
you cant get the 1950 census until 2022 but we find him buried in wadena Minnesota in 1951

But the note said Frank hubachek salonist chippewa falls.
maybe the frank with the wife named stella was related.

 

[Ditlihi]

There are no other Frank Hubacheks in Chippewa Falls or Chippewa County that I could find in this time period. There is a Frank Hubachek listed as a "laborer" (no reference to a saloon at all) in the 1911 Chippewa Falls directory - the only directories available in Ancestry for Chippewa Falls are 1907, 1911, 1914, 1917, 1920, 1923, 1926, 1929.

I think the 1911 listing is for the same as the 1907 Saloon Frank Hubachek and the same as the 1910 Census listing for Chippewa County. He does not appear at all in the directories for 1914 or 1917.

However, Frank Hubachek's 1917 WWI draft registration lists him as a farmer in Cadott, Chippewa County and the death record for his son Otto indicates he was born in Cadott, Chippewa County.

Sometimes you have to make a bit of a leap. For me it is a small one to assume that all the Frank Hubachek listings in Chippewa County and Chippewa Falls, WI circa 1907-1917 are the same man.

I was further convinced that he is the same as connected to the notes when I traced him to Linn Co. Iowa and saw that the names Holets and Zahradnik were also in that same small area.

If you find something else as convincing I would be happy to take a look at it.

Nope, I got nada. But thank you for spelling it out for me, lol. Sometimes I'm a little slow on the uptake.

So the timeline we now have for Frank Hubechek:

1895. - 18 yrs old and living on parents farm in Linn, IA
1907. - Saloon employee in Chippewa Falls, WI
1910. - 31 yrs old and servant in Howard, Chippewa County, WI. ( 2 years discrepancy in age )
1911. - Laborer in Chippewa Falls, WI
1917. - Farmer in Cadott, Chippewa County, WI. ( WWI draft registration )

Nothing after 1917, we lose track of him there.

Hmmm.

Supposing he went into the military in 1917....the war ended in 1918. He could very well be one of the Vets sent to the CCC camp in Rochester. The Vets in that camp were veterans of WWI that did not receive full benefits after the war, and going in late he wouldn't have. Just a possibility.

One note on Anna Zahradnik that I noticed from your previous attachments, she was born...and died, in Ely, IA. I wonder if we could find Anton Holets there as well. I'm also wondering if there is a draft registration for him somewhere.

Another thing I noted was Joe Holets and wife's ages on the 1895 Census, 61 and 62 . That would put them at 101 and 102 in 1936. Obviously too old to be involved in any harassment or robbery. I'm wondering if they weren't Anton's grandparents...and maybe there is a Joe, Jr out there somewhere. ( They were 40 years older than Anton, according to the census ).

I'm still lost on how we tie them all together in 1936. Without more information it's difficult to proceed any further. I'm still leaning towards a CCC connection, just can't connect the dots without documentation.

I'm stumped, any suggestions?

 

[Ditlihi]

I did find another frank hubachek but i distiguised him from our frank because his wifes name was stella

but yeah you guys found the same things i did, frank was born in the late 1870's in linn co. iowa and remains there until about 1906
he is then in wisconsin untill about 1917- 1919
1920 census has him in osceola iowa
1930 Bigham trail North Dakota
1940 eldarado North Dakota
you cant get the 1950 census until 2022 but we find him buried in wadena Minnesota in 1951

But the note said Frank hubachek salonist chippewa falls.
maybe the frank with the wife named stella was related.

There was a notation on THIS Frank saying he was a salonist in Chippewa Falls?

 

[Iron Buzz]

What am I missing here? I thought Bramblefind just said that Anton married Anna Zahradnik. Was Frank Hubechek's sister's last name Zahradnik?

Also, how do we connect Frank Hubechek, the servant living in Howard ( not Chippewa Falls, but Chippewa County ), Wisconsin....to the Frank Hubechek, Saloon Owner, in Chippewa Falls? How do we know it's the same Frank, what did I miss?

More likely, it is me that is missing something. I think you're right.