Boy this city doesnt like MDing

[allen]

Re: Boy this city doesn't like MD'ing

Me personally I see no harm in detecting in our parks,
but im just a lowly cashier who puts in his 40 per week
and I guess what I think just does not matter much.

 

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[Shambler]

Re: Boy this city doesn't like MD'ing

No I didnt ask, one of the rangers was writing a report up and I asked him what it was about and he told me that he had just cited two men for metal detecting

One time at band camp....

Other wise, folks think they have the right to remove flowers/bushes/shrubs, because gardening/horticultural/floral arrangements are their hobby

HUH? Do they have coins on display at this park for your enjoyment, and you're taking them?

 

[allen]

Re: Boy this city doesn't like MD'ing

One time at band camp....
No pal, me, the rangers and everyone else has the same supervisor !
Never been to a band camp, but you may want to....

 

[bazinga]

Re: Boy this city doesn't like MD'ing

well then, there must be an actual existing rule there. But if there is none, then no: you do not need to ask "can I metal detect?". No more so than you might ask "can I fly a frisbee?" or any other non-prohibited activity.

So...one shouldn't have to ask to remove flowers/bushes/shrubs, because gardening/horticultural/floral arrangements is their hobby

How about if picnicking is your hobby....can you simply take the picnic tables, too?

What I've learned from this thread:

# of Posts != logic or intelligence

 

[Shambler]

Re: Boy this city doesn't like MD'ing

So...one shouldn't have to ask to remove flowers/bushes/shrubs, because gardening/horticultural/floral arrangements is their hobby

How about if picnicking is your hobby....can you simply take the picnic tables, too?

This is the absolute worst argument in the thread. You're digging a plug for a coin that is buried (never to be seen again except during contructions perhaps). How is that related to stealing flowers or picnic tables? It's not! If this park was the Tampa Coin Display Park (where you picnic among trash and coins for the experience), then clearly you'd leave the coins.

There's nothing wrong with the hobby of metal detecting, so stop treating it as inherently bad.

These are your amabassadors of the hobby in Shelbyville (where they apparently have park rangers in county parks) and Tampa.

Good luck if you're in those towns.

 

[RGINN]

Re: Boy this city doesn't like MD'ing

I worked as a State Park Ranger for the State of Oklahoma for a few years. Metal detecting was allowed in the park by written permission of the park manager only, and was generally relegated to the more primitive areas of the park. (The rules may have changed since then) I could issue citations, and confiscate your detector as evidence. What would be the point? I had more important things to worry about. It was basically handled on a complaint only basis, but yeah if we saw you we would mention it to you and tell you how to do it legally. It just wasn't a very high priority on our list of enforcement. We were more concerned with speeders and drunks.

 

[bazinga]

Re: Boy this city doesn't like MD'ing

I worked as a State Park Ranger for the State of Oklahoma for a few years. Metal detecting was allowed in the park by written permission of the park manager only, and was generally relegated to the more primitive areas of the park. (The rules may have changed since then) I could issue citations, and confiscate your detector as evidence. What would be the point? I had more important things to worry about. It was basically handled on a complaint only basis, but yeah if we saw you we would mention it to you and tell you how to do it legally. It just wasn't a very high priority on our list of enforcement. We were more concerned with speeders and drunks.

STATE is the key word in that first sentence. These guys are arguing about public city parks and not state parks. Around here, State Parks are a big no-no.

 

[allen]

Re: Boy this city doesn't like MD'ing

Like I said before, I see no harm in doing what we do as long as we are
responsible and as far as I know most of the detectorist on here are.
I dont make the rules here in the Shelbyville/Shelby County parks.
"These are your amabassadors of the hobby in Shelbyville (where they apparently have park rangers in county parks)"
Yes we do and the men and women do a great job !
I do believe no one is actually "arguing" over this topic Shambler, it is a discussion !

 

[Tom_in_CA]

Re: Boy this city doesn't like MD'ing

Allen, on what basis did that ticket get written? You say it was issued "because the guy was md'ing", but do you know if there's an actual "no metal detecting" rule there? Or was it written because of some "damage" or "collecting" type verbage that was morphed to apply to his md'ing? Please clarify this. City park rules are available at either the city hall or police dept. on a binder which sits on the front counter, or available on-line.

If there is no detecting prohibitions, and the guy got the "ticket" because of something else morphed, then my hunch is he must've been some sort of big nuisance. Ie.: leaving holes (or being VERY indiscreet in the process), or was someone who couldn't take a warning, etc..... They do not just issue tickets for something, if a rule doesn't specifically exist, unless you were being a major nuisance in another area of perceived violation. Sorry, but something just isn't clicking.

SWR: If someone were strip-mining the turf for use in their own front yard, or other such "harvesting" or "collecting" actions, then those activities would be covered under the "no collecting" type verbage. I do not consider metal detecting to be in violation of collecting or destruction/vandalism clauses. If you think that we are inherently ........ by-definition ...... in violation of such clauses, then you have lost the battle already. You have chosen the wrong hobby. Because I can guarantee you that there is NO public park in the USA (on ANY level of government), that you could get permission to "damage and vandalize" and "collect/harvest for personal enjoyment/enrichment". Go ahead, I challenge anyone here, who has ever gotten a "yes", to return to that desk clerk and ask if this means it's ok to "damage" "vandalize" and "collect/harvest", and see how fast your yes gets turned to a no. Thus I do not see these things to apply to us.

If I intend to leave no trace of my presence, and am "removing" things that were/are invisible & unknown (as opposed to trees, shrubs, & picnic tables), then I do not consider this a violation. To think otherwise, is to have already lost the battle.

 

[allen]

Re: Boy this city doesn't like MD'ing

"Allen, on what basis did that ticket get written? You say it was issued "because the guy was md'ing", but do you know if there's an actual "no metal detecting" rule there?"
Yes there is a "no metal detecting" rule here.
It was voted on by the city council and the parks and recreation board and passed a couple
of years ago and is written in the rules and regulations governing our city and county parks.

 

[Tom_in_CA]

Re: Boy this city doesn't like MD'ing

" Yes there is a "no metal detecting" rule here. "

Then that is a different matter altogether. If a city has no such rule, then there is no need to "ask permission".

 

[Tom_in_CA]

Re: Boy this city doesn't like MD'ing

SWR: well then, if you consider the mere act of metal detecting to be "destruction" and "vandalism", then either you need to 1) return to "target recovery 101 class" (to learn to leave no sign of your presence), or 2) you have chosen the wrong hobby.

There is no doubt that there is the necessary temporary uncomfortable step of retrieving. Even if it's the mere act of jabbing a probe into the ground for shallow clad!! I have heard of people get into p*ssing matches of "probe" verses "popping or prying" verses "digging". It can get downright ridiculous in defining. But the bottom line is, if you consider our hobby to be inherently destructive, then you have chosen the wrong hobby. Because you will never get "permission" to "vandalize & destroy" any park, anywhere, at any time.

This is why I say, I do not consider destruction, alteration, vandalism, etc... clauses to apply to us. To think they do, you will never get an "ok" (unless you're just gonna play in wood-chips or sandboxes, and even THEN I bet you can get a "no" if you word it carefully enough).

 

[NGE]

Re: Boy this city doesn't like MD'ing

SWR, heaven forbid you take your dog for a walk on his legal 6 foot leash, and he takes off after a chippie and tries to dig it out. Does that me you are in violation of the No Diggin clause?..........NGE

 

[Willee]

Re: Boy this city doesn't like MD'ing

And that is why I like Beach detecting.

Who cares if you dig holes in the sand.

Willee