brass diamond and other thing

[Older The Better]

i found this brass diamond and other thing on the same hillside as what i have in the box, there is no modern trash so I'm leaning heavily towards all of these things being related so any ideas what they are?

 

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[AlabamaRelic]

The other thing looks like a ramrod thimble from a muzzle loading gun. You have other gun parts pictured in the box. Bullet mold, main spring and trigger guard. And lock plate.

 

[Tony in SC]

The diamond piece looks like an inlay for one of the lock screws. The metal arrow heads are cool.

 

[Older The Better]

wow better than I had hoped. so I'm trying to visualize this gun/guns? that I'm finding pieces of. Where would the diamond plate have gone? opposite of the lock plate or on the bottom somewhere beyond the trigger guard?

 

[Older The Better]

I went back and cleaned up my find since it could be something. I missed the engraving. there is a matching mark on the other side and appears hand done

 

[Chiltepin]

Looks like a Flintlock, I can't find it in a my database was trying to ID by the
Flat Iron Trigger Guard.

ID the Trigger Guard and you will ID the gun.

Possible Pistol due to the width of the trigger guard similar to this example.
http://www.deactivated-guns.co.uk/live-firearms-and-shotguns/theop-39-s-richard-flintlock-pistol/prod_1775.html

Good Luck

 

[Tony in SC]

On the side of the stock opposite the lock plate. The screw would pass through the hole in the inlay and into the inside of the lock, kinda like a fancy washer.

wow better than I had hoped. so I'm trying to visualize this gun/guns? that I'm finding pieces of. Where would the diamond plate have gone? opposite of the lock plate or on the bottom somewhere beyond the trigger guard?

 

[Old Pueblo]

That stuff is amazing. Is that a musket ball mold thing? And the points are incredible! Maybe there was a battle site there? I cant imagine colonial militia were using those point, had to be the natives!

 

[Older The Better]

a battle / attack is my working theory, looks like a campsite on a rise between two draws. there is the hill ive found most of the artifacts on and the other hill where I found many musket balls. so hill one on the east side most of the artifacts are clustered, the west side of hill two has the musketballs, looks like someone was shooting across the draw. then on the west side of hill one I found the two trade metal points and a stone point as if someone may have fired arrows back. its not a large area so to find 9 buttons seems like a lot to accidentally lose, and a gun and bullet mold in the early 1800's indian country would seem to me to be too important to lose. an attack seems like a good explaination as to why someone would lose those things but its hard to say for sure

 

[Older The Better]

here is absolutely everything from the site, the only thing that seems modern is the 4 shiny tin scraps and the piece of glass other than that I suspect everything is from the same time period... to me looks like a bit too much iron to match a plains indian camp but some things like the makeshift saw and trade points indicate native american

 

[Tpmetal]

Those points look funny to me have you identified them yet? Early settlers did do some knapping

 

[Older The Better]

I didn't think there was much to identify as far as trade metal points go

 

[Tony in SC]

The little flat washer in the hook thing is fairly modern. Native Americans used scrap iron to make points but I have never seen any that big.

 

[Older The Better]

true when you consider the size of a true stone arrowhead, maybe a knife or spear? one is whole and the other mostly whole they don't appear to be pieces off of anything. being two sort of different styles also makes me think they are real if they were identical I would suspect they were from something. throw in the other things that would fit that period and i think they are authentic. but to call them "arrowheads" may be a mistake

 

[tamrock]

The little flat washer in the hook thing is fairly modern. Native Americans used scrap iron to make points but I have never seen any that big.

Yes old wood barrel iron hoops were often re-purposed by the Indians. I can't remember the book I read, but in it was a soldier giving an account of being shot in the leg by an arrow with an iron tip during the Indian wars. "Older the Better" is finding some really cool old historic stuff.