British Government issue horse buckle

[tinpan]

Hi all , I found this buckle today , think it may be a saddle or harness buckle brass and clearly stamped with H and an arrow. Any idea of age and any other info please

tinpan

 

[snake pit]

Hello, i think its a Cinch bucket on a horse saddle, i'm not for sure on the age.

 

[kuger]

That would be a terribly small cinch?I am not sure that I have ever seen a square cinch buckle either....usually are round.

It could have served any one of a number of functions on harness.Not sure what the markings signify,maybe Crusader or Silver Searcher can help?

 

[skeeterd]

I'm not sure what this buckle is for, but on english type saddles, the cinch (or girth) commonly has two or three small square buckles that match up to leather straps on the saddle.

 

[kuger]

I'm not sure what this buckle is for, but on english type saddles, the cinch (or girth) commonly has two or three small square buckles that match up to leather straps on the saddle.

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well I'll be darned,in 35 years a horseback,and building saddles(western,and bronc)I aint never seen a cinch like that,but then again,never been around any or allowed anybody to ride "English"!!!

 

[skeeterd]

When I was in 4-H, my mother talked me into showing english one year. Thats how I know a little about it. Notice I said "one" year!

 

[kuger]

When I was in 4-H, my mother talked me into showing english one year. Thats how I know a little about it. Notice I said "one" year!

Ughhh,thats worse than piano lessons!!!!I would never forgive her....and you shouldnt admit it!!!!! I sure do like the attire them style women wear though!!!!!!!

 

[Silver Searcher]

Defenetly a double looped harness buckle, with off-set bar...mid 19thC.

SS

 

[TheCannonballGuy]

Kuger wrote:
> Not sure what the markings signify, maybe Crusader or Silver Searcher can help?

Tinpan's buckle has a distinctive shape of "arrow" mark which was put on various types of military objects to denote that they were the property of the British Government, and/or they had been officially accepted for service by an Ordnance Inspector. (That mark's purpose is similar to marking various US Army equipment with the stamped letters "US.") The distinctive mark on Tinpan's buckle is known as the "British Broad-Arrow" mark. Here's a mid-1800s diagram showing the Broad-Arrow mark on the bottom of a British-made Minie-ball. It is also found on British Army and Navy cannonballs. I don't know whether the British Army/Navy is still using the Broad-Arrow mark today.

I do not know the intended meaning of the letter "H" stamped into Tinpan's buckle. It could represent the manufacturing company. That being said, I should mention that the "font" (lettering-style) of the letter may be an indication of that particular buckle's time-period. Prior to the 1880s, most such letter-markings were done in "serifed" lettering, and after that time tended to be in "plain block" lettering. Note, that's only a rule-of-thumb (not a 100% rule) for dating lettered markings, because I've seen a few exceptions to the rule. But the plain-block letter H mark is an indication that Tinpan's buckle was manufactured in the late-1800s or early 20th-Century.

See the illustration below showing serifed letters, with the red part being the serifs on the letters.

 

[kuger]

Never should leave you out CBG!!!

 

[CRUSADER]

Kuger wrote:
> Not sure what the markings signify, maybe Crusader or Silver Searcher can help?

Tinpan's buckle has a distinctive shape of "arrow" mark which was put on various types of military objects to denote that they were the property of the British Government, and/or they had been officially accepted for service by an Ordnance Inspector. (That mark's purpose is similar to marking various US Army equipment with the stamped letters "US.") The distinctive mark on Tinpan's buckle is known as the "British Broad-Arrow" mark. Here's a mid-1800s diagram showing the Broad-Arrow mark on the bottom of a British-made Minie-ball. It is also found on British Army and Navy cannonballs. I don't know whether the British Army/Navy is still using the Broad-Arrow mark today.

I do not know the intended meaning of the letter "H" stamped into Tinpan's buckle. It could represent the manufacturing company. That being said, I should mention that the "font" (lettering-style) of the letter may be an indication of that particular buckle's time-period. Prior to the 1880s, most such letter-markings were done in "serifed" lettering, and after that time tended to be in "plain block" lettering. Note, that's only a rule-of-thumb (not a 100% rule) for dating lettered markings, because I've seen a few exceptions to the rule. But the plain-block letter H mark is an indication that Tinpan's buckle was manufactured in the late-1800s or early 20th-Century.

See the illustration below showing serifed letters, with the red part being the serifs on the letters.

Thanks but too modern If I could help I would, but not my area of interest.

 

[tinpan]

Thanks for you reply to buckle id post . With what was given i have now found out this British patten 1903 Mounted Mans Equipment Buckle . Part of leather set issued to Mounted Soldiers In this case Australian Light Horse Battalions in WW1
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