Brown signed the dam thing! Move over Oregon.
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time to put the placer claims up for sale 
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read it and weep
Interested Parties
Today, July 26, 2011, Assembly Bill 120 was approved by Governor Brown.
This legislation amends seven different codes within California State
law including the Fish and Game Code. Two paragraphs in this bill refer
to suction dredge mining and have substantial impacts on the process to
conduct environmental review and adopt amended regulations guiding
suction dredge mining in California.
The Department of Fish and Game released draft regulations and a
related Draft Subsequent Environmental Impact Report (SEIR) for public
review on February 28, 2011. We held six public meetings and accepted
public comments through May 10, 2011. At that time we projected that we
would be adopting new regulations and certifying the Final SEIR by the
end of 2011. This would then have permitted the sale of suction dredge
permits under newly adopted regulations.
Assembly Bill 120 affects this effort in four important ways.
First, it establishes an end date for the current moratorium of June
30, 2016. The current moratorium was established by SB 670, and took
effect on August 9, 2009, without any specific end date. The new law
specifies that the moratorium will end on June 30, 2016, regardless of
whether DFG completes court-ordered environmental review of its existing
permitting program or adopts new regulations. Of course, further
legislation or action by the courts could modify that circumstance.
Second, AB 120 requires that any “new regulations fully mitigate all
identified significant environmental impacts.” As directed by the
Alameda County Superior Court and SB 670, DFG prepared the Draft SEIR to
meet requirements of the California Environmental Quality Act (CEQA). In
addition to CEQA, AB 120 now requires DFG to meet a “fully mitigate”
standard for any adopted suction dredge mining regulations in order for
the new moratorium to end any earlier than June 30, 2016. “Fully
mitigate” is not defined in statute or regulation, however, and
previously the term has only been used in the Fish and Game Code in
section 2081, subdivision (b), of the California Endangered Species Act.
Third, a new condition, required by AB 120 is “a fee structure is in
place that will fully recover all costs to the department related to the
administration of the program.” DFG takes the view that the current
fee structure is not sufficient to support the level of effort which
should be devoted to implementing our authority to regulate suction
dredge gold mining. In addition to the administrative costs of selling
permits, DFG believes we should have environmental scientists funded
through suction dredge permit fees to conduct on-site inspections as
needed prior to issuing permits and also to monitor suction dredge
mining to collect data on effects on aquatic and terrestrial organisms
and habitat. Further, suction dredge permit fees should provide funding
for game wardens to inspect, monitor and enforce compliance with any new
regulations. Under current law, however, the fee structure for DFG’s
permitting program is prescribed by statute. Any change to that
structure is beyond the authority of DFG and any such change will
require action by the California Legislature and related approval by the
Governor. Because of the legislative calendar for submittal of new
legislation and the legislative process itself, it is very unlikely that
any change to the existing fee structure will occur within the 2011
calendar year.
Finally, the previous moratorium established by SB 670 was clear that
DFG needed to take several actions (i.e. comply with CEQA and adopt
amended regulations) which would then allow suction dredge mining to
resume, under the new regulations. Said another way, DFG had the final
State approval to complete the process, subject only to the Alameda
County Superior Court’s concurrence. AB 120 adds a legislative step,
described in the previous paragraph. Simply put, the legislature will
need to affirmatively approve a new fee structure, before suction dredge
mining can resume under new regulations. The perspectives of legislators
about sufficiency of a fee structure and suction dredge mining generally
will affect the probability of such legislation being approved.
With this set of new facts in front of DFG, we are evaluating the
extent to which the work we have already done can be used under the
requirements of AB 120, and how we might proceed. We do not yet have a
revised workplan or schedule. However, our previous projection that this
process would be complete by the end of 2011 is no longer viable. It
will likely be several weeks from now before we have determined what we
will need to proceed and how we can do so. I will provide additional
information to the recipients of this message when there is something
new to report.
Mark Stopher
Environmental Program Manager
California Department of Fish and Game
601 Locust Street
Redding, CA 96001
voice 530.225.2275
fax 530.225.2391
cell 530.945.1344
mstopher@dfg.ca.gov
Interested Parties
Today, July 26, 2011, Assembly Bill 120 was approved by Governor Brown.
This legislation amends seven different codes within California State
law including the Fish and Game Code. Two paragraphs in this bill refer
to suction dredge mining and have substantial impacts on the process to
conduct environmental review and adopt amended regulations guiding
suction dredge mining in California.
The Department of Fish and Game released draft regulations and a
related Draft Subsequent Environmental Impact Report (SEIR) for public
review on February 28, 2011. We held six public meetings and accepted
public comments through May 10, 2011. At that time we projected that we
would be adopting new regulations and certifying the Final SEIR by the
end of 2011. This would then have permitted the sale of suction dredge
permits under newly adopted regulations.
Assembly Bill 120 affects this effort in four important ways.
First, it establishes an end date for the current moratorium of June
30, 2016. The current moratorium was established by SB 670, and took
effect on August 9, 2009, without any specific end date. The new law
specifies that the moratorium will end on June 30, 2016, regardless of
whether DFG completes court-ordered environmental review of its existing
permitting program or adopts new regulations. Of course, further
legislation or action by the courts could modify that circumstance.
Second, AB 120 requires that any “new regulations fully mitigate all
identified significant environmental impacts.” As directed by the
Alameda County Superior Court and SB 670, DFG prepared the Draft SEIR to
meet requirements of the California Environmental Quality Act (CEQA). In
addition to CEQA, AB 120 now requires DFG to meet a “fully mitigate”
standard for any adopted suction dredge mining regulations in order for
the new moratorium to end any earlier than June 30, 2016. “Fully
mitigate” is not defined in statute or regulation, however, and
previously the term has only been used in the Fish and Game Code in
section 2081, subdivision (b), of the California Endangered Species Act.
Third, a new condition, required by AB 120 is “a fee structure is in
place that will fully recover all costs to the department related to the
administration of the program.” DFG takes the view that the current
fee structure is not sufficient to support the level of effort which
should be devoted to implementing our authority to regulate suction
dredge gold mining. In addition to the administrative costs of selling
permits, DFG believes we should have environmental scientists funded
through suction dredge permit fees to conduct on-site inspections as
needed prior to issuing permits and also to monitor suction dredge
mining to collect data on effects on aquatic and terrestrial organisms
and habitat. Further, suction dredge permit fees should provide funding
for game wardens to inspect, monitor and enforce compliance with any new
regulations. Under current law, however, the fee structure for DFG’s
permitting program is prescribed by statute. Any change to that
structure is beyond the authority of DFG and any such change will
require action by the California Legislature and related approval by the
Governor. Because of the legislative calendar for submittal of new
legislation and the legislative process itself, it is very unlikely that
any change to the existing fee structure will occur within the 2011
calendar year.
Finally, the previous moratorium established by SB 670 was clear that
DFG needed to take several actions (i.e. comply with CEQA and adopt
amended regulations) which would then allow suction dredge mining to
resume, under the new regulations. Said another way, DFG had the final
State approval to complete the process, subject only to the Alameda
County Superior Court’s concurrence. AB 120 adds a legislative step,
described in the previous paragraph. Simply put, the legislature will
need to affirmatively approve a new fee structure, before suction dredge
mining can resume under new regulations. The perspectives of legislators
about sufficiency of a fee structure and suction dredge mining generally
will affect the probability of such legislation being approved.
With this set of new facts in front of DFG, we are evaluating the
extent to which the work we have already done can be used under the
requirements of AB 120, and how we might proceed. We do not yet have a
revised workplan or schedule. However, our previous projection that this
process would be complete by the end of 2011 is no longer viable. It
will likely be several weeks from now before we have determined what we
will need to proceed and how we can do so. I will provide additional
information to the recipients of this message when there is something
new to report.
Mark Stopher
Environmental Program Manager
California Department of Fish and Game
601 Locust Street
Redding, CA 96001
voice 530.225.2275
fax 530.225.2391
cell 530.945.1344
mstopher@dfg.ca.gov
So much for dredging. Or maybe its time to 
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now watch Oregon/Washington and then ,eventually Idaho. then other states will follow. yes even the eastern states have USFS that dictate/dominate over people!
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DFG believes we should have environmental scientists funded
through suction dredge permit fees to conduct on-site inspections as
needed prior to issuing permits and also to monitor suction dredge
mining to collect data on effects on aquatic and terrestrial organisms
and habitat. Further, suction dredge permit fees should provide funding
for game wardens to inspect, monitor and enforce compliance with any new
regulations.
Can we have one of them hold my nozzle to!!!
through suction dredge permit fees to conduct on-site inspections as
needed prior to issuing permits and also to monitor suction dredge
mining to collect data on effects on aquatic and terrestrial organisms
and habitat. Further, suction dredge permit fees should provide funding
for game wardens to inspect, monitor and enforce compliance with any new
regulations.
Can we have one of them hold my nozzle to!!!
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Vote for a liberal epa loving democrat and what do you get? 
Well, it sure puts a damper on jobs, industry, farming, timber production, hunting, fishing, mining and most important dredging. No, they are expendable and besides that, some of them make dust and even smell funny. Give me a break. Who is going to take the most care of the environment? We are! Not those wishy washy pansies, sitting around Starbucks without a clue of what really makes this Country work or even have a clue as to how nature works.
Well, it sure puts a damper on jobs, industry, farming, timber production, hunting, fishing, mining and most important dredging. No, they are expendable and besides that, some of them make dust and even smell funny. Give me a break. Who is going to take the most care of the environment? We are! Not those wishy washy pansies, sitting around Starbucks without a clue of what really makes this Country work or even have a clue as to how nature works. 
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Now I know how the workers at the post office feel just before "going postal"
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GG that is exactly what it is going to have to become.
I would not want to be a forest ranger, or f&g warden, wandering the woods and rivers
here in ca after brown signed this death warrent.
Just like Prohibition
I would not want to be a forest ranger, or f&g warden, wandering the woods and rivers
here in ca after brown signed this death warrent.
Just like Prohibition
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Camouflaging market is a gonna boom. Just keep in the cover of the trees and shut off way before dark to let equipment cool down. Cameras are in the sky.
Now ya kinda know how the moonshiners felt. No, I am not comparing us to moonshiners. Cut that response off ahead of time. 
Now ya kinda know how the moonshiners felt.
No, I am not comparing us to moonshiners. Cut that response off ahead of time. 
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when the grubbermint makes doing basical normal natural ways of making money by using natures "public area" wild bounty "illegal" ( like panning for gold / suction dredging for gold)-- to force everyone to submit to only making money via in ways that the govt can totally control --track and tax to the last cent -- thus controlling how much and what you earn and ensuring they get "their" cut iof itand have fiscal control over you. (commonly refered to as "getting into yiour bussiness --trotal fiscal enslavement" -- they just make criminals out of otherwize basically honest decent folks.
lets face it the grubbermint does not want folks earning any money that they can not easily tax and get their "cut of" -- they do not want kids running lemonade stands without a "licence"--- they do not want farmers to sell fruits and vegetables along side the roads by their farms ( no taxes paid when doing it - so the grubbermint isbeing cut out of the money loop (no taxes)--the grubbermint says its for the public health that they need to shut down the fruit and veggie sellers & lemonade stands and such - that the foods being sold are not properly "inspected" --thus the public's health would be at risk --ya right-- thats why the govt allows the sell of cigarettes that are KNOWN TO KILL YA * BECAUSE THEIR LOOKING OUT FER THE PUBLIC'S HEALTH )--guess I can not eat the stuff I grow in my own back yard either since their not "inspected" huh?-- gold miners are just another exsample of --how much did you find / earn this week? -- did yoiu report every LAST CENT of "income" to the grubbermint ? --the grubbermints job is to find ALL sources of ANY TYPE OF INCOME --and to get a chunk of it via "licencing fees to do it and taxes made off any income made from doing it"-- ie get the money from your pocket to their pocket.
lets face it the grubbermint does not want folks earning any money that they can not easily tax and get their "cut of" -- they do not want kids running lemonade stands without a "licence"--- they do not want farmers to sell fruits and vegetables along side the roads by their farms ( no taxes paid when doing it - so the grubbermint isbeing cut out of the money loop (no taxes)--the grubbermint says its for the public health that they need to shut down the fruit and veggie sellers & lemonade stands and such - that the foods being sold are not properly "inspected" --thus the public's health would be at risk --ya right-- thats why the govt allows the sell of cigarettes that are KNOWN TO KILL YA * BECAUSE THEIR LOOKING OUT FER THE PUBLIC'S HEALTH )--guess I can not eat the stuff I grow in my own back yard either since their not "inspected" huh?-- gold miners are just another exsample of --how much did you find / earn this week? -- did yoiu report every LAST CENT of "income" to the grubbermint ? --the grubbermints job is to find ALL sources of ANY TYPE OF INCOME --and to get a chunk of it via "licencing fees to do it and taxes made off any income made from doing it"-- ie get the money from your pocket to their pocket.
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they want more revenue (Taxes, for us dredgers that don't know that)
and how do they do that, by extending the moratorium
where's that manual for the manual for the number two shovel
and how do they do that, by extending the moratorium
where's that manual for the manual for the number two shovel
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I have an idea. Why don't all available people go to all the State offices and start asking for information. Form a line around the block. Look for information reguarding anything, not just dredging. Make the bums DREAD coming to work.
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Something has got to happen. If it doesn't, we are all going to be sheep, waiting for the king to tell us what he wants next. Something has got to happen. What do you think the Founding Fathers would say to us sitting back and taking whatever the socialist government demands. Look at what they did and endured to give us the freedom that we are not defending today. 
If we do not do a complete house cleaning in 2012, or if they steal the elections, all will be lost. Except to those that have the fortitude to make a stand.
No, I am not advocating violence. But I am advocating defending ourselves and country, by what ever means is forced on us.
If we do not do a complete house cleaning in 2012, or if they steal the elections, all will be lost. Except to those that have the fortitude to make a stand.
No, I am not advocating violence. But I am advocating defending ourselves and country, by what ever means is forced on us.
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GrayCloud said:Something has got to happen. If it doesn't, we are all going to be sheep, waiting for the king to tell us what he wants next. Something has got to happen. What do you think the Founding Fathers would say to us sitting back and taking whatever the socialist government demands. Look at what they did and endured to give us the freedom that we are not defending today.
If we do not do a complete house cleaning in 2012, or if they steal the elections, all will be lost. Except to those that have the fortitude to make a stand.
No, I am not advocating violence. But I am advocating defending ourselves and country, by what ever means is forced on us.
How about a prospectors march on the capital in Sacramento!
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Buddy, That is a very good idea. Need to take a giant projector screen with loud speakers and play the Karuk Tribal Video, over and over again.
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well lets get a date set, private like
pass on ideas private like too
a spokes person, i am sure will get some attention if enuf show up like the meeting we had with DFG
a fact sheet for everyone
dredgers cadence
other ideas? private like
pass on ideas private like too
a spokes person, i am sure will get some attention if enuf show up like the meeting we had with DFG
a fact sheet for everyone
dredgers cadence
other ideas? private like
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Need to get the word out to GPAA and LDMA and PLP too and any other prospecting organizations out there 
Should have been done over a year ago.
I could picture thousands of prospectors participating, even ones from out of state.
or how about "Million Prospector March"
Don't go down without a fight!!! Don't wait until you don't have the right to prospect or even protest anymore!!!
First the dredges then before you know it all prospecting will be banned!!!
Read the governors message in the California Mining Journal on page 3 (Aug. 1931) back in the good ol' days
http://www.icmj.com/UserFiles/file/August 1931 complete.pdf
Let the present Governor know how you feel! or bend over for more of the same! Don't wait for someone else to do it, that's why there's no dredging now!
http://govnews.ca.gov/gov39mail/mail.php
If you are from out of state let the governor know that due to the dredging ban in California your families vacation dollars are now being spent in other states. And that you will also be participating in a nationwide boycott of California products and services as well as agricultural produce.
GG~
Should have been done over a year ago.
I could picture thousands of prospectors participating, even ones from out of state.
or how about "Million Prospector March"
Don't go down without a fight!!! Don't wait until you don't have the right to prospect or even protest anymore!!!
First the dredges then before you know it all prospecting will be banned!!!
Read the governors message in the California Mining Journal on page 3 (Aug. 1931) back in the good ol' days
http://www.icmj.com/UserFiles/file/August 1931 complete.pdf
Let the present Governor know how you feel! or bend over for more of the same! Don't wait for someone else to do it, that's why there's no dredging now!
http://govnews.ca.gov/gov39mail/mail.php
If you are from out of state let the governor know that due to the dredging ban in California your families vacation dollars are now being spent in other states. And that you will also be participating in a nationwide boycott of California products and services as well as agricultural produce.
GG~
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