Button ID Needed - any ideas ? (additional pics added)

[vpone]

Hi,

I found this today on an old colonial road (not sure if it is colonial though).

it's small, about the size of a dime
no imprinting on the back but it does have the shank

thanks in advance

vp

 

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[Montana Jim]

Re: Button ID Needed - any ideas ?

vpone... any chance at a larger picture?

There looks to be a crown on top, the number 14, surrounded by swords or what is that?

 

[hollowpointred]

Re: Button ID Needed - any ideas ?

is it a one or two piece button? the first thing that comes to my mind is that its a 14th regiment British button but i am really just guessing. if it is of one piece construction that would place it in the colonial time frame. someone on here will know for sure.

 

[vpone]

Re: Button ID Needed - any ideas ?

hey sorry guys, that first pic was terrible (i was in a hurry heading out of the house)

it is a one piece button

here's a better pic

thanks again !

vp

 

[Don in SJ]

Re: Button ID Needed - any ideas ?

I have no idea on the ID of the button, could you post a photo of the back, so we can see the shank type. The button almost reminds me of the style of Jacksonian buttons, so perhaps the oldest it could be would be in that era, but it might be more recent. Sure is a chinsy crown!!
BTW, I am in no way shape or form saying it is a Jacksonian button, only that it reminds me of that type of construction from the front that is.

Don

 

[vpone]

Re: Button ID Needed - any ideas ?

here's the back guys - thanks again to all !

vp

 

[PBK]

Thanks! That helps a lot.

Actually, the integral, cast and drilled shank is more typical of an 18th century button.

So, the similar crowned "CC" monogram/cypher seen on certain later Danish coinage would seem to be coincidental.

 

[vpone]

Thanks! That helps a lot.

Actually, the integral, cast and drilled shank is more typical of an 18th century button.

So, the similar crowned "CC" monogram/cypher seen on certain later Danish coinage would seem to be coincidental.

thanks PBK,

i'm always learning something on TNET

so if you had to guess - probably a military regiment button of some sort, maybe from the late 1700's early 1800's ?

the area i'm in did have some british activity (as well as french/indian war activity) - do you think it might be british ?

thanks again
vp

 

[PBK]

I feel sure that it's not a British or French regiment button of the period. Those are pretty well documented, and it doesn't closely resemble any that I've seen.

Also, I still think that's a crown at the top, and almost certainly a royal monogram/cypher composed of back-to-back C's.
As previously noted, the 14 enclosed within the cypher would indeed seem to suggest a regiment number.

Still checking, and have forwarded the photos to a couple of buttons experts as well.

 

[Don in SJ]

Now that was a pleasant surprise seeing the drilled shank, PBK is so correct, that button most likely is 1700's. Sure did not appear to be from the front view, another reason so important to show both sides on almost all buttons posted. Age can a lot of times be determined by the type of shank/applied method.

Oh, it's is most likely a crown but again, it chinzy!

Don

I just sent the photos to my friend who is an expert on the earlier Military buttons. Hopefully all will agree with a good answer.

 

[PBK]

Wonder if it might be from one of the German states of the period?

Note the crowned cypher on this 1746 coin, a 6 kreuzer of Wurttembeg:

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[Don in SJ]

With the big influx of Germans into Pennsylvania during the entire 18th century it sure is probable and may have belonged to a immigrant who previously served in Germany with the unit. German state coin vairieties are endless, perhaps the buttons were also.
But the coin PBK, sure bears strong resemblance.

Don

 

[PBK]

There are also c. 1740's-50's coins with the same device from the German state of Baden.

The presence of Baden-Wurttemberg immigrants in early America is indeed a matter of record. ("Die Auswanderung aus dem heutigen Baden-Württemberg nach Preußen, in den Habsburgischen Südosten, nach Rußland und Nordamerika zwischen 1683 und 1811" ["The Emigration from Modern Baden-Württemberg to Prussia, in the Hapsburg Southeast, to Russia, and North America Between 1683 and 1811"] by Arnold Scheuerbrandt in the Historischer Atlas von Baden-Württemberg (Historical Atlas of Baden-Württemberg), XII, 5

It's also worth noting that the state of Hesse, homeland of the Hessian mercenaries of the American Revolution, borders on Baden-Wurttemberg.

 

[Don in SJ]

In Don Troiani's book on Military Buttons of the American Revolution, it does not appear that the Hessians had buttons of any noteable regiments, but guess there is an outside chance of that. I almost believe this button is of an earlier period as the coin is that PBK posted as an example, thus very likely brought over by an immigrant.

Funny, while researching this I came upon a genealogy excerpt for the family of a John Walter, who came to America in the 1700's from Wurtenburg and some of the family settled in NY, PA, and SC. LOL, maybe an ancestor of the Vpone, Kyle and Kirk's friend John Walter lost that button.
Don

 

[PBK]

Nor do I think it's an actual Hessian regiment button. I just thought that the proximity of the states was interesting, and that such a button (of slightly earlier vintage) might conceivably have ended up here via Hessian service, in much the same manner that c. 1830's-50's gilt "flower" buttons ended up at Civil War camps and battlefields.

That said, a case of simple immigration does indeed seem more likely.

At any rate, I do think it's very possibly from a German state such as Baden or Wurttemberg, and of the same period as the coins I cited— c. 1740's-50's.

Such a tentative attribution corresponds with both the button's design and construction— and so far nothing else seems to come close.

 

[vpone]

PBK & Don,

I really appreciate the time and effort both of you have put in on this -

i went out for a couple hours this afternoon and come back to find that might button might be 240 years old very cool, again much appreciated

please let me know what your friends say about it

vp (Kevin)

 

[vpone]

Funny, while researching this I came upon a genealogy excerpt for the family of a John Walter, who came to America in the 1700's from Wurtenburg and some of the family settled in NY, PA, and SC. LOL, maybe an ancestor of the Vpone, Kyle and Kirk's friend John Walter lost that button.
Don

That's funny ....

 

[Colonial Zoyboy]

In Don Troiani's book on Military Buttons of the American Revolution, it does not appear that the Hessians had buttons of any noteable regiments, but guess there is an outside chance of that. I almost believe this button is of an earlier period as the coin is that PBK posted as an example, thus very likely brought over by an immigrant.

Funny, while researching this I came upon a genealogy excerpt for the family of a John Walter, who came to America in the 1700's from Wurtenburg and some of the family settled in NY, PA, and SC. LOL, maybe an ancestor of the Vpone, Kyle and Kirk's friend John Walter lost that button.
Don

Hmm...maybe that John Walter of then is the John Walter of today, but John Walter of today is not really the John Walter of then.

Kyle

 

[Colonial KirkPA]

Kevin,

That is an awesome button!

Hmmmm...John Walter did settle near the river.

Kirk

 

[Don in SJ]

Well, my friend the Rev War button collector could offer no satisfactory answer, I believe what PBK has said is most likely the area of the world the button came from since it is close to that German States coin in design..........

Don