Button or Native Piece? Fleur-de-Lis? and other items--1683 Mass Property

[btjbtj]

UPDATE--Button or Native Piece? Fleur-de-Lis? and other items--1683 Mass Property

Hi Friends,

John did a bit of digging today in the Revolutionary/Colonial site and found some interesting stuff. The one that we are most intrigued about is what we assume is some sort of button or decoration. If you look closely, you can see that an arrow is either carved or painted onto it, and there are stars across the bottom of it, and then there is a very crude outline of what might be a bird. The back has a sharp hooklike thing. Any thoughts? It almost looks like a homemade USA button. Maybe an eagle with an arrow in its claws and stars. I know I'm reaching there. The second cool item is what we think is a fleur-de-lis, although it is more compact than the ones usually seen. The rest of the items are self-explanatory. Hope you all had a great day. Thanks for looking! -Lisa & John

UPDATE: Guys, I added another photo. For whatever reason, I can't get it to post vertically, but we believe the top of the item is where John's thumb is. I think the new photo now appears last in the bunch. We can clearly see the eagle beneath John's thumb. The head looks like it is facing to the left, the wings are spread out, and you can clearly see the stars around the rim. The arrow is barely visible in this one, but it is toward the bottom right, where the coin/pin(?) is bent. Possibly clutched in a claw? Or perhaps just there. The diameter is 13/16". I am wondering if we are looking at some type of homemade patriotic Americana button or pin? Cru, Barker, Abe, IP, Scrappy...and the rest of the gang, any thoughts? Another cool mystery! Thanks.

 

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[trapperart]

Congrats on a nice assortment of finds

 

[btjbtj]

Congrats on a nice assortment of finds

Thanks, Trap! -L&J

 

[trapperart]

Congrats on a nice assortment of finds

 

[chefjuan]

Is it metal? I feel like I've seen that in the red book. I'm gonna go look. It's intriguing. Personally if it's metal I think it's a damaged old coin


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[btjbtj]

Is it metal? I feel like I've seen that in the red book. I'm gonna go look. It's intriguing. Personally if it's metal I think it's a damaged coin.

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Thanks for your thoughts, Juan. We believe the piece is copper or brass. Another mystery! --Lisa & John

 

[Professor of Engineering]

Congratualtions on the most interesting colonial finds!

 

[BARKER]

Hi; That button with the stars onn it does appear to have an Eagle on it. The Eagle is facing sideways in the picture with it's head on the left side and it's claws on the right. It will take a lot of soaking in warm water to get that cleaned up to bring out the details. I have no idea as to what that first picture is of ok. PLEASE post a set of Front & Back of ALL finds you Post ok. That will help us to help you. PEACE:RONB

PS: Please post a picture after that button is cleaned up ok. we may able to nail it down for you. PEACE:RONB

 

[btjbtj]

Congratualtions on the most interesting colonial finds!

Thanks, Prof. They are head-scratchers for sure! -L&J

 

[btjbtj]

Hi; That button with the stars onn it does appear to have an Eagle on it. The Eagle is facing sideways in the picture with it's head on the left side and it's claws on the right. It will take a lot of soaking in warm water to get that cleaned up to bring out the details. I have no idea as to what that first picture is of ok. PLEASE post a set of Front & Back of ALL finds you Post ok. That will help us to help you. PEACE:RONB

PS: Please post a picture after that button is cleaned up ok. we may able to nail it down for you. PEACE:RONB

Hi Ron, the first photo is just another angle of the button (if that's what it is). I did post photos of the reverses of everything. I'll see if John can clean it up at all without ruining it. As always, thanks so much for your advice. -Lisa

 

[port ewen ace]

L&J, y'all are better than binge watching a whole season of "24", every second is a new thrill :----)

 

[btjbtj]

L&J, y'all are better than binge watching a whole season of "24", every second is a new thrill :----)

It really is, Port! Glad you are all along for the ride with us. ☺ L&J

 

[Gridwalker306]

Good stuff btj, you are fortunate to be on such an old site!

 

[btjbtj]

Good stuff btj, you are fortunate to be on such an old site!

Thanks, J! Yup, an old state definitely gives us a wide date range! -L&J

 

[btjbtj]

New photo and info added above in original post! --L&J

 

[Rubka888]

Definitely looks like an old military button. That is very cool! I hope someone can nail it down for you

 

[btjbtj]

Definitely looks like an old military button. That is very cool! I hope someone can nail it down for you

Thanks, Rub. I hope so too, my research is coming up with a dead ends. -L&J

 

[DownNDirty]

I don't think it's a button because of the spiked "hook" on the bottom. Possibly some sort of leather ornamentation for a horse reins?

 

[btjbtj]

I don't think it's a button because of the spiked "hook" on the bottom. Possibly some sort of leather ornamentation for a horse reins?

Interesting idea, Down. Could be. We think that hook is bent and used to stick straight out. So it might be a pin of sorts. There was a 50-stall stable on the farm at one time, so who knows! Thanks for thinking outside of the box for us. --L&J

 

[Scrappy]

That spiked thing is a brass tack. I've come across them on colonial sites on occasion. Mine are all plain but yours looks like it has a nice design on it and is a bit more ornamental. Not a button.

Not sure what the fleur de lis brass item is but my first idea is furniture hardware.