Can anyone please help identify this old button?

[Yankeegirl21]

Can anyone help identify this old button? Found about 10" down in a field in RI. Thank you!View attachment 1800473View attachment 1800473

 

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[DCMatt]

We need to see the back to do a proper ID.

 

[GopherDaGold]

Possibly an old livery button

 

[Yankeegirl21]

heres the back.

 

[DCMatt]

Possibly an old livery button

Agree. It looks like a livery button. I believe the crown is an Earl's crown. Not too sure about the image below. It's a little blurry. Maybe a woman holding a giant waffle?

 

[DCMatt]

Any idea what the letters are on the back? I can sort of see "& SON" at the top. Also the letter N followed by an O? If we can get a few more letters maybe we can figure it out.

 

[Yankeegirl21]

Below the crown, could that be a crest or shield with a rose at the top?

 

[Red-Coat]

Agree. It looks like a livery button. I believe the crown is an Earl's crown. Not too sure about the image below. It's a little blurry. Maybe a woman holding a giant waffle?

Below is a portcullis, but I'm not sure what's sitting on top of it. A crowned portcullis has been used by some British regiments, Government bodies and as the British Houses of Parliament insignia since the early 1900s, but you won't ever see it represented like that, or with that crown. It's a (non-British) Count/Baron's coronet. It is, as said, just a bit of fantasy heraldry intended to look impressive.

 

[DCMatt]

Below is a portcullis, but I'm not sure what's sitting on top of it. A crowned portcullis has been used by some British regiments, Government bodies and as the British Houses of Parliament insignia since the early 1900s, but you won't ever see it represented like that, or with that crown. It's a (non-British) Count/Baron's coronet. It is, as said, just a bit of fantasy heraldry intended to look impressive.

Yes. I see the chains on the sides now.

I'd like to see a focused picture. It still looks like a woman holding a portcullis to me...

 

[Yankeegirl21]

"Something" & Sons above loop then "London" below the loop

 

[Red-Coat]

Yes. I see the chains on the sides now.

I'd like to see a focused picture. It still looks like a woman holding a portcullis to me...

Yes it does, doesn't it? Especially what looks like a pair of boobs resting on it. Some possible variation on the Ogilvy crest?



"Clan Ogilvy Crest: A lady affrontée from the middle upward in Azure vestments richly attired holding a portcullis Gules. Motto: A FIN. Badge: whitethorn, hawthorn or evergreen alkanet"

 

[nhbenz]

With the description above, now I want it to be a waffle for some reason

 

[DCMatt]

With the description above, now I want it to be a waffle for some reason

Here it is. You can see her "waffles" through the portcullis.

 

[DigDug216]

A real bute! Nice.

 

[CRUSADER]

Circa 1860s Livery Button

 

[DCMatt]

Circa 1860s Livery Button

It's really difficult to read but I think the back says FIRMIN.

1850's - 1875 if the back-mark says "FIRMIN & SONS LONDON".

If it says FIRMIN & SONS LD LONDON, it's late 19th to early 20th C.

 

[CRUSADER]

https://sites.google.com/site/liverybuttonsidentified/home/portcullisSad
Sadly not one of the IDed families on this site for the Portcullis.

to the OP, this one will clean up well with lemon juice.

 

[Yankeegirl21]

Below is a portcullis, but I'm not sure what's sitting on top of it. A crowned portcullis has been used by some British regiments, Government bodies and as the British Houses of Parliament insignia since the early 1900s, but you won't ever see it represented like that, or with that crown. It's a (non-British) Count/Baron's coronet. It is, as said, just a bit of fantasy heraldry intended to look impressive.

Thank you for providing historical context on this. The button was found in a field in the Tiverton, RI area which is not all that far from Newport, RI so makes sense. Appreciate the information!

 

[Yankeegirl21]

great information, thank you!