Candle Holder??????

[stecordbz]

Yes, my name is Steven Correa. I have in my possession an older, i
believe to be a candle holder. Very heavy, approx. 1 ft tall. Can be
taken apart into 3 pieces----sorry, 4 pieces-----. A bottom stand, middle portion 3 cherubs, and
then a longer piece thats slides into the middle. It is gold in color
but has never tarnished. I cannot find any information about this piece
and was wondering if you know if worth anything, or if
you would just be willing to look at this item and maybe give me a clue
as to where to find information about its history. I remember playing with this when i was a kid at my grandmother's house. Then somehow my parents ended up with it and now i have it. I was told it was found inside an old house. Ive been told it looks like an old church piece

 

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[nhbenz]

Welcome to TreasureNet Steven! Very interesting piece. Sorry that I can't offer any definitive information, but my first impression would be that it was used to hold flowers. Is there any indication that there had been water in the base of it? Or is it even constructed in such a way that it would hold water? Surely someone here will ID this, likely someone who has spent more time in church than myself. -Ben

 

[TreasureTales]

Welcome to TNet. Sometimes old French clocks were composed of three separate items. The clock, of course, and then 2 companion pieces that would flank the clock. Your item might be one of those decorative clock flanking pieces. It doesn't tarnish No markings? Brass items were usually made in pieces and then screwed together. I think your item is made from brass and has some type of clear lacquer or something similar put on it to prevent tarnish.

This example shows candle holders. Not all companion pieces to French clocks were candle holders. Some were merely decorative pieces with no other purpose than to be artistic companions to the ornate clock.

After looking at your photos again, I now think your item has been gold-leafed or gilt. A thin layer of gold applied over a base material. That would explain why there is no tarnish also. It might have held dried flowers, which need no water. I personally don't think it would have held water, but without seeing it from an overhead view, it's really hard for me to tell. Hope this helps. LOL

 

[SomeGuy]

The flowers (and the water) may have been contained in a seperate glass insert.

 

[Monty]

Looks to me like it is coated with gold gilding, hence no tarnish? Haven't a clue what it might be for? Monty

 

[TreasureTales]

The flowers (and the water) may have been contained in a seperate glass insert.

That's true.

 

[stecordbz]

Here are some pictures that show an overhead view...the first series shows starting at top and taking piece by piece off...plus on the bottom and on some other spots have markings indented. they are star shaped markings...

 

[TreasureTales]

With these new pix I think flower vase (both wet and dry) can be eliminated. Candleholder still doesn't make sense since the hole goes all the way through. Maybe some other piece is missing. Are there any threads inside the top piece hole? Some female threads in there?

 

[nhbenz]

I agree with TreasureTales on all of the above.

 

[hasbeen]

The top and bottom view of the top piece show a flange at the top end.My guess is it was a table lamp at one time.The lamp socket and cord are all thats missing.It could be from a funeral home,the style is right.

hasbeen

 

[bogeymcq]

My first thought was the top part could possibly hold a small basin for water. . but I am not sure. . especially seeing you write that it is only about a foot in height Puzzling & intriguing. . hhmmm


From whom you where told ( or passed along too ) it was found in an old house. . do you know the area of the old house? Perhaps a history on those owners?

Have you taken your pictures to any of the Churches or Furneral Houses locally? Perhaps someone there could give you more clues. .


hhhmmmm you know the more I look at your picture & the bit of search I did on some key words. . I really am leaning toward this being a small fountain . . what is the material made of? Apologize if you have already answered any of my questions & I missed the answers

When you find out anything please, please do let us know. . for I am curious as all about this piece!

Bogart

 

[mech]

keywords: ornate, cherub

still looking, cheers.

ps. my guess is a lamp base.

 

[mech]

Lamp base, perhaps?

lol .. 2 seconds SWR. Same page, same thoughts...

cheers,

 

[mech]

or...maybe an outdoor garden object? birdbath, but missing the top?

 

[Monty]

I noticed in one overhead shot there was three nail like objects protruding toward the middle. That would make me think something wooden , perhaps some kind of pole was inserted and those "nails" helt it tight and straight much like a Christmas tree holder. Just an observation. Monty

 

[Steve in Michigan]

With the 3 nail holes I believe this ornament was put on the top of a pole at the end of a stair case! Not sure where your from or where your grandmother lived, but its possibly French. Hope this helps!

Your Friend,

Steve in Michigan

 

[bogeymcq]

I was really intrigued when you displayed this item & for some unbeknownst reason I thought . . this should be easy to figure out! . . thus far I got a nadda on that . . but I found some things that I think may be headed in the right direction . .


Louis XV French Style
gold gilt
putti ( or putto )
wheat motif sheaves

It looks like wheat sheaves are laid upon at least one of the putti lap . . but the plant bit in the middle . . corn? I really think these "plants" may be a good clue to the who/why/where/when & what about this item. . .
Anyhow originally when I saw this item I thought Church but now . . now I am thinking it was in a house . . possibly a pedestal & placed upon a counter/bar area . . .

check out this pix :

http://cgi.ebay.com/ESTATE-19C-GILD...73QQihZ006QQcategoryZ1212QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


No not the same but similar & the one in the pix measures 18". . hhmmm . . . maybe?

then there is this one:
http://www.dargate.com/237_auction/237_images/237porc.htm

scroll down to number 3180, this one stands 10" in height! hhmmm



Bogart

 

[TreasureTales]

Although I think this is a French piece or in the style of a French piece, I don't think the plants are corn or wheat. Wheat was often a symbol of mourning, which would direct us back to a funeral home type of decoration. But the leaves of the plants don't look like wheat to me. Any wheat experts on board? And corn doesn't look right either.

It could be a bowl is missing from the top. Perhaps it broke and was never replaced. Having a bowl with a long stem might explain the nail-like protuberances in a lower section of the piece. Many modern-day light fixtures hold their globes in place with similar screw type protuberances that are finger tightened. Are these things accessable so they, too, could be finger tightened?

 

[dg39]

Eapearn holder. A glass vase sat in the holder. Very ornate. I did not spell eapearn right, but do a search and you might get the idea of what it might have looked like. Just my guess.
DG

 

[Steve in Michigan]

The plant could possibly be cattails? Just a guess!

Your Friend,

Steve in Michigan