quote '' The Confederate Treasury left Richmond with $27,000,000 in hard specie or bullion''
another ''Specie in large amounts were never keep in Richmond''
kind of doesn't quite jive does it ?....they did or they didn't ?
''which I might add was arranged by President Jefferson Davis and General Robert E. Lee of the Northern Army of Virginia.''..../////////.....another mis statement....lee informed davis it was only a matter of time and that he {davis} should start preparing for the eventual evacuation......lee was in the field keeping the wolves at bay......
''Specie in large amounts were never keep in Richmond, "They were hidden away in the Country," according to Secretary of the CSA Treasury, Memminger.''....////////////////..memmingers mid 63 report stated more or less ''we have on hand , at this time, not counting the amounts in the depositories, 460 million, hidden in the country''......i am quite sure that unless told by some researcher like myself you would have no idea what amounts were in the depositories, which by the way is quite a bit more than what was hidden in the country..do you even have a vague idea as to just how many depositories there were in the Confederacy ?.......thought not....
''In Mid-February there was $65 Million dollars in the Treasury Vaults in Richmond,''.//////////////..sorry, wrong again
''secrecy was made as large disbursements were made to points south and west, some was shipped towards Lynchburg, Virginia on the Tennessee Raillines. A large portion ended up in Lynchburg and was cached there as well ''....//////////////////...vivid imagination.....two seperate unprinted diaries, one of a soldier/guard at the richmond train station, and one of a treasury dept official, both state that ALL trains leaving from the treasury dept,{ heavy and with strong escort i might add} after march 1, 65 went SOUTH.....
''When Richmond was finally evacuated as I said there was then at that time $27,000,000 in specie and bullion on hand plus another $2,300,000 in New Orleans Mint Gold (57 kegs, 2,000 $20. gold pieces to a keg plus 3 kegs of silver) that arrived the morning of the evacuation by J.P. Hawkins that worked for the Southern Express Office based in Charlotte, North Carolina. The gold had been shipped now for the last two weeks from Charlotte, North Carolina''........///////////////.....i thought the acid tests were in the late 60s...i must be mistaken as this is pure halucination......how did you arrive at these outrageous sums ?......also hawkins arrived as the city was being torched if i am not mistaken, which would place his arrival after the evacuation as a diarist that was one of the last across the james told of watching the city being put to the torch.......also was wondering where the 57 keg story came from ? hawkins diary tells of arriving in richmond with 40 boxes of coin, and 5 safes contents unknown.....
''The movement of the funds or the New Orleans Gold from Charlotte to Richmond by J. P. Hawkins can be found in his diary. J.P. Hawkins arrived that morning with two wagons loaded with gold. After his delivery Hawkins learned of the evacuation and went to Major General Breckenridge, a former US Vice-President about what he was to do about the Southern Express Shipment of gold just made that morning. Breckenridge suggested he deliever it back south towards Charlotte ''.....//////////////////.........jp hawkins diary tells no such story.....he never mentions new orleans, or even gold for that matter...if memory serves me he refers to his load as coin and/or specie, never mentioning gold or silver....and if i remember correctly he was in charge of 5 or 6 wagons....have you ever thought to figure the weight of 2.3 million dollars back then in the gold coin you mention here ?..two wagons ?...from charlotte to richmond in the rainiest season as recorded in many records......right............hawkins was ordered to charlotte, and was on his return to richmond, and he tells as much in his diary..........
'' Inside these two wagons were five safes for the safe keeping of the money. These safes and their contents of near $5 Million Dollars in Gold were delivered to Danville and cancelled in the river city. Hawkins diary says he delivered the five safes and gold to his boss, Mr. Bates of the Southern Express Company in Charlotte, North Carolina. (MR. Bates home where President Davis stayed on his journey from capture ) But I know that the gold was hidden in Danville, Virginia and for a good reason.''......//////////........as if the weight of your fairy tale gold was not enough you add the weight of 5 safes...so now there is 57 kegs of 2000 gold coin each, {each weighing what an ounce}.not to mention your kegs of silver....the kegs are carried in the safes....i bet they were big safes ?..how many horses and just exactly how large ?..33 hands high and around 3000 pounds each i would hope........a safe that you could fit possibly 6 -18 inch nail kegs in back then only weighed 500-900 pounds...or more..not counting your gold weight of around 7850 pounds and silver weight of your 3 kegs, so you have in the neighborhood of 11- 15,000 pounds in two wagons....oooookay..........hawkins diary, his letters home, personal papers, none mention 5 million, 2.3 million, any other figure, gold, silver, what was in the safes, kegs, etc etc...neither do any other records.....he states 40 boxes of coin or specie AND 5 safes contents unknown..if the coin was in the safes how would he have surmised 2.3-5 million, kegs, etc as he would have been told only what he needed to know, which was the safes would have been very valuable...and real big........he also was ordered to and did pick up a safe in route to danville, which belonged to pickett of ''picketts charge'' and that made the total go up by the value of 1.............hawkins also, after leaving danville, spent the next 16-17 days in greensboro nc before proceeding to charlotte...
''Can anyone else see that this was what made the SOUTH lose the war along with the disruption of communication.''............///////////.........the South lost the war for one reason only, lack of replacement soldiers....grant could replace any amount, which was a reason he fought as he did, headlong, without a thought of the losses.......replacements were nothing to him..he could replace every 1 killed with 2 if he wished.......Lee on the other hand had none,..when he lost a soldier, he was down by one more......a short look at the rosters of the opposing armies at wars end proves this point....
''Now about Captain Parker and his middies. Captain Parker was sent along to guard the treasure from Richmond. He says he never saw the coin.''..........////////////..........i bet he never did see the coin....a diarist in this unit of middies tells plainly about taking control of the ''treasure train'' and leaving richmond...he also tells that immediatly after crossing the james river that they were disembarked from the train, and stood on a siding there till 7-8 more trains passed, and then one finally stopped to let them board..they guarded nothing........parker also tells that ''other than the amount removed for the use of the govt,, the rest never left the train''....impossible, as i proved to you years ago atwell, the tracks changed gage here...
''There were 50 kegs, one was left on the train because John Hendren busted the head off of one keg while they were in the Treasury Building to exchange silver for paper money at an exchange of $60. in paper to $1 in silver. The Richmond residents did not want Mexican Silver Dollars they would only except US silver dollars,''........//////////........this event happened in danville
''All the other clerks had left Richmond the night before with larger shipments of specie and bullion destination Danville, Virginia.''................/////////////............not so joe..
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Micajah Clark carried the CSA Treasury what was left it to Macon, Georgia and then back to Abbeville, South Carolina where Captain Parker turned it over to General Breckenridge. Breckenridge placed Basil Duke in charge of the treasure. Duke being close kin to John Morgan of Morgan Raider's. Duke protested to General Breckenridge that he did not know how much treasure there was and there was no time for an inventory. Breckenridge sympathized with him but told him it was now his job. A young officer by the name of Cole (he was also one of the one armed personal guards of President Jefferson Davis) pillaging through the boxcars in Abbeville found a sack of gold coins that had been missed by Duke and his men while unloading the train. It was hidden under burlap sack cloth, after this Breckenridge ordered more troops of different units to guard the treasure, so they could observe each other. Still there was a robbery of the CSA Treasury while camped on the South Carolina side of the Savannah River. Four wagons got away, one had on board a rather large cedar chest of gold coins. This is were the story of the Chennault Crossroad Robbery was born.''..................////////////////..............what other stories only known by you need to be added to our history ?.......research has basis in fact and is not the sum of many storys in a blender therefore i will not even bother trying to straighten most of the rest of your misguided posts out for you.............but i will comment on this.....
''If you noticed in this post I did not mention the Virginia Bank Gold of over $500,000, the reason being it was left and buried in Danville, Virginia also. The story about the Robbery near Chennault Crossroads in Georgia was made up as well as several other stories to protect the concealment of the CSA Treasury. The History Channel, A&E even made a movie about the robbing of the CSA Treasury Gold or the Virginia Bank Gold near Chennault Crossroads----THE VIRGINIA BANK GOLD NEVER LEFT DANVILLE, VIRGINIA!!!!''................//////////////////...............with all the news articles, records of several united states {yankee} military units, several u s govt offices, bank records, diaries, personal remembrances and such pertaining to this portion of the specie leaving richmond and being in a safe in washington ga, surely you don't even in your wildest historical dreamland believe this never left danville ?........according to your countless stories i am to beleive that ALL the specie and ALL the records of the Confederate govt are ALL buried in danville ...not counting the specie, do a little research on the tonnage of records leaving richmond...just where did they put the dead people ?..what exactly was burned at several sites along the route south with the millions of Confederate money ? what was on the train that was found abandonded i believe in alabama, the same train that the Confederate Constitution that now resides in special collections in that state was found in ?....tons of records ?....yes........a little misguided to say the least.....
''There were also two wagons from the Charlotte Mint found in the woods there near the Pacelot River.'' ...........////////////..........there were also 6 wagons of bank $ found in the woods near millidgeville ga, quite a sum off the tracks near hillsboro from new berne banks, i think 200,000.00 or more in ga woods from tennessee banks, etc, etc...so whats your point here ?...........
''What are the major obstacles to recovering this treasure?''...........////////////..........his only obstacle is me, todd hall, the man who actually found what treasures are in danville..i found it through research, proved it with no less than 12 different electronic surveys not even counting the colorado group..the last set of surveys done by a group whose credentials equal or exceed franks school of mines atwell..you want to contact them also and tell them i ripped you off like you have done previously ?...my research is handwritten by the people responsible for the burials, not some made up fairy tale like you have been reading on the previous posts on this thread.......and for everyones info, its not all there as you probably surmised...actually its only a very small portion.....the 49 kegs of silver left danville exactly 12 years after the war, being retrieved by a group from massachutess from the spot it was buried ....and the person responsible for the burial was not named ott, nutt, nor even trenholm.......after locating these treasures i contacted frank carroll, the author of confederate treasure in danville, to seek his help in dealing with the city...he always thought he knew the spot..i let him continue to think he was right....we met with the city several times.....frank, wanting to be the citys saviour told them, behind my back, where {he thought} it was....they immediatly didn't want to deal with me any more...then they wouldn't even deal with frank, as they thought they held all the cards....atwell posted on an older thread that my research was no good and that the city had turned down my research..well, they never saw it or heard it.....they had no interest in it..no interest in all the research i had concerning missing parts of the citys history...all they wanted was a location...period.....they got one from frank....i just backed out of the scene grinning, as i knew i held all the cards........atwell then teamed with frank and last i heard he {atwell} was near forcibly removed from the city managers office and nearly arrested.......the city even circled the spot on their map and put a $ sign beside of it.....a fellow historian bought a copy of one and showed it to me........and for everyones information especially yours atwell, i have been contacted twice in the past week...seems like between 2006 when i went public, and frank and you made your outlandish claims of ownership, even telling the city where your treasure was, and now, the city has had time to have some electronic surveys of their own done....and do you know what they prove ?...there is absolutely nothing in the spot you and frank claimed as your treasure location.....which means not only do i get the last laugh, you and frank have proven to the city and several others that the location you had was completely wrong, which means, when i finally do dig, neither of you will be able to lay claim to a thing, as you were wrong, just as i have told you for years....it will also show to many, what i tried to show to these people here before you had my posts deleted, that when i was trying to warn them from buying into your schemes, it was with good reason........and dig i will, as they would not be contacting me unless there were no other options, and there aren't...you call me this, that, liar, backstabber, etc..you tried acting as if i was an employee of yours,, you threatened lawsuits, ....for your information our partnership ended well {years} before 2006, right after the second large hole dug from your erroneous and in the clouds research..it was after this that i started to really take a look at your word, your research, etc...as an example, beale, you rant about how you have all the beale codes broken, selling too high priced vhs regarding beale..your research proves he existed, your research proves the other actors existed,, you offer to sell maps concerning the site of it, you state in a thread beale story was a hoax,, now you state it might just be a Confederate treasure, yet, you state all the Confederate treasure is buried in danville..a magazine article by you relates the Confederate treasure is buried in a dentists mothers yard on green st in danville...they ended up threatening a restraining order against you to keep you away..now you are offering for sale for $10,000.00 a copy of a map that can be seen for free or bought for less than 80 bucks....$10,000.00, and it doesn't even have an XXXXXXXXXX to mark the spot .....to bad i didn't research you beforehand i could have saved myself a lot of trouble , time, and $.....should have listened to my wife to begin with.....todd hall.......gldhntr
post note;;;;i am sure you will respond with all types of garbage so i am letting you know now, i will not be responding, am not inclined to argue with, well,* i think i will let the people here decide what i mean........if you cry to the moderators to have this deleted as you did my previous posts concerning your outlandish claims then so be it...if not, then maybe a few that do not know you will be able to figure it out for themselves, either by asking around, researching into you a bit, or at the very least it will attach the same doubt to your name as your b/s posts have attached to mine......only difference being i do have honor, integrity, and the ability to do my own research, proper..........regards..t
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