Connecticut copper variety

[leddel]

I have a good idea as to what it might be but would like a second opinion from the experts , please . Thanks

Dan

 

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[TNGUNS]

Wow, anxious to hear.

 

[Loco-Digger]

Did you dig that today? Awesome coin.

 

[Iron Patch]

Much easier if you say what you think and see if there is agreement, as I think most who ID them on here don't recognize them well enough to go right to the section, so it takes a lot of time.... time that is not worth spending when you already did the work. The coin is rough so hopefully there is not others that are extremely close.

 

[l.cutler]

Yeah, this one might be tough! Like Iron Patch said, tell us what you think it may be and we can double check against that variety instead of all 350 of them!

 

[against the wind]

Nice save on the,, uhhh,, I'll wait til the votes are in?

 

[doninbrewster]

What you have is a Draped Bust Facing Left type. They made them from 1786-1788. It is the most common type of 1787 and one of the rarest of the 86's. Can't see the date on the reverse so it's a bit hard to tell where it falls. It may have the possibility of an exact attribution as to variety, but it might take a really long time to do. It can be narrowed down as the obverse die seems to be a M.32 as evidenced by the period and cinquefoil after the word CONNEC. There are 8 obverse dies from the Miller 32 group and even more reverse dies that match up. I might give it a try if I had better photos and get the time. Problem is, when I get that much time I'm usually out swinging my detector. Nice find any way you look at it.

 

[leddel]

Much easier if you say what you think and see if there is agreement, as I think most who ID them on here don't recognize them well enough to go right to the section, so it takes a lot of time.... time that is not worth spending when you already did the work. The coin is rough so hopefully there is not others that are extremely close.

Ok , I believe it is very close to the 1788 Miller 16.7-P

 

[Iron Patch]

Ok , I believe it is very close to the 1788 Miller 16.7-P

Do you have any good pics for that variety? Doesn't seem to be too many floating around.

 

[leddel]

Do you have any good pics for that variety? Doesn't seem to be too many floating around.

thats just it , its a rare variety so there isn't many examples out there to see Patch.

 

[Iron Patch]

thats just it , its a rare variety so there isn't many examples out there to see Patch.

So how did you come to that conclusion? I seen a thread on one here from a while back but no reverse pic. I think it's going to be tough to confirm an ID, but I guess it comes down to whether the subtle differences are visible or not.

 

[l.cutler]

It does look similar, but I don't think that is it. The 16.7 obverse has a much narrower "A".

 

[leddel]

So how did you come to that conclusion? I seen a thread on one here from a while back but no reverse pic. I think it's going to be tough to confirm an ID, but I guess it comes down to whether the subtle differences are visible or not.

it looks close to the one in the book i have Patch .

It does look similar, but I don't think that is it. The 16.7 obverse has a much narrower "A".

can you point me to another variety I.cutler ??

I posted a couple more pictures of the coin , as you can clearly see its a 1788 type . hope this helps some .

Dan

 

[l.cutler]

OK, back to might be, with this picture it looks like the A might just be damaged or as a result of the corrosion it looks a little different. Will try to spend a little more time on it.

 

[sutphin]

I SAY ITS A NICE FIND FOR A COIN AND A DANG SWEET OLE ONE.

 

[doninbrewster]

it looks close to the one in the book i have Patch .



can you point me to another variety I.cutler ??

I posted a couple more pictures of the coin , as you can clearly see its a 1788 type . hope this helps some .

Dan

Ahh! A much better photo. Now I can see it's an '88. I pulled out a couple of my old auction catalogs and found this in the third one I opened. I don't think it's a 16.7-P, but I could be wrong. Hard to say without actually seeing the coin.

 

[The Patriot]

Nice one for sure...hope u find out!!!

 

[Iron Patch]

It does seem very close but I can't get there. I don't think we're done yet however, if you want to do the work, and it being 1788 it would not be too bad. Even if we can not confirm a match, you can still confirm it by systematically eliminating every other 1788, and that probably would not take long because over 90% would likely have clear differences. Then once you have your short list, compare those to 16.7-P and if you can clearly eliminate each one you have your answer. If you get stuck and can't, then it's going to be inconclusive and really nowhere to go. So I do think it is still possible to ID it, or at least feel a high degree of confidence you have it right.

 

[pepperj]

Very nice copper, congrats on the find.

 

[doninbrewster]

It does seem very close but I can't get there. I don't think we're done yet however, if you want to do the work, and it being 1788 it would not be too bad. Even if we can not confirm a match, you can still confirm it by systematically eliminating every other 1788, and that probably would not take long because over 90% would likely have clear differences. Then once you have your short list, compare those to 16.7-P and if you can clearly eliminate each one you have your answer. If you get stuck and can't, then it's going to be inconclusive and really nowhere to go. So I do think it is still possible to ID it, or at least feel a high degree of confidence you have it right.

I'm with you Iron Patch. It's close, but not quite there. Could even be the photo. It's the last 8 in the date that throws me a bit. The 7 is very similar to the the reverse P. Maybe it's just a new, previously undiscovered variety