corrigans beach smashed lead,fake coin or ?

[scrounger d detector collector]

managed about 3 hrs at corrigans beach orchid fla. found this flattened coin size object. very soft appears to be lead. dont ring in true for silver on the minelab. next to a US dime which was the only coin found today. any type of lead that might be shipwreck originated ? i would not think a fishing weight. unless someone hammered it flat on purpose. i have found very wave worn fish weights but they still dont go flat like this. a fisherman said that back in the old days when coins were irregularly shaped .often lead counterfiets were made and colored various ways to make them look more real. he said this could be whatsleft of a period fake after 300 yrs of wave action.thin soft ez to bend.

 

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[Hangingfor8]

I've found tons of this stuff in that area and I have no idea what its from or what it is.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

managed about 3 hrs at corrigans beach orchid fla. found this flattened coin size object. very soft appears to be lead. dont ring in true for silver on the minelab. next to a US dime which was the only coin found today. any type of lead that might be shipwreck originated ?

You found one dime lol. Those must be the cleanest beaches in the world! Hard to tell by pic, it looks like canslaw but it may be a piece of lead sheathing. http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,22995.0.html

 

[scrounger d detector collector]

yeah its no joke. these beaches have been hit very hard by the sand replinishment program. this area just spent 14.7 million dollars to have sand trucked in from a barrow pit. great portions of the beach are sand that wasnt there a few months ago.but because its the treasure coast every tide has the potential to bring in ancient coins. and there are other coins always eroding out of the back dunes. so altho few hits u just hope one wil be fantastik. ishowed the lead item to an expert at the mel fisher treasure museum.shefeels this could be period leadseal from 1715. under hi mag shows permanent pattern in metal from contact with crude cloth. apparentlycoins were bagged and sealed b4 putting in chests. the kings coins would have his crest on the seal but many common folk would have coins in bags sealed with a plain leadseal. lead sheating dont comeout rounded like this.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

yeah its no joke. these beaches have been hit very hard by the sand replinishment program. this area just spent 14.7 million dollars to have sand trucked in from a barrow pit. great portions of the beach are sand that wasnt there a few months ago.but because its the treasure coast every tide has the potential to bring in ancient coins. and there are other coins always eroding out of the back dunes. so altho few hits u just hope one wil be fantastik. ishowed the lead item to an expert at the mel fisher treasure museum.shefeels this could be period leadseal from 1715. under hi mag shows permanent pattern in metal from contact with crude cloth. apparentlycoins were bagged and sealed b4 putting in chests. the kings coins would have his crest on the seal but many common folk would have coins in bags sealed with a plain leadseal. lead sheating dont comeout rounded like this.

It doesnt look round in the picture. Lead sheathing can be found in all shapes and sizes torn and worn by the waves and sometimes with a cloth pattern. I cant remember where I read about the cloth pattern. The experts are not sure why. They may have put cloth between the layers. Part of mine has a pattern btw. But I am only looking at a not too clear pic and you have it in your hand. Nice find if it is a lead seal.

I meant they are the cleanest beaches in the world because of all the metal detectorists.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Im not saying what you have is lead sheathing, but here is one mention of cloth pattern on sheathing.
http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache...ish+"lead+sheathing"&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=2&gl=us

The lead sheet used to protect the Margarita hull offers some interesting clues to the way it was used, and, possibly, manufactured. It is commonly thought that the sheathing was placed over a layer of canvas and pitch before being nailed into place. On other shipwrecks, lead has been found with a cloth impression, and this is thought to have resulted from the two being closely fastened to the hull, along with the compressing forces of the sea-water. All of the sheathing that has been examined from the Margarita also shows a distinct, textile weave uniformly impressed into one side. A cast of this impression reveals a "plain-cloth" weave, and though the fiber type can not be determined, looks to be either canvas, burlap, or linen. Whether the cloth was used as an initial liner, between the lead and the hull, is not clear. These impressions are the only evidence for cloth being used in conjunction with the Margarita sheet, and there is none for pitch. The uniformity of the imprint, even along the edges, where there would have presumably been an overlap of the sheets, makes it seem unlikely that it resulted from the cloth and lead being tacked together against the hull. Additionally, the lead was torn and crumpled as the galleon broke up along the bottom, but no cloth or pitch has been found pinched or trapped in the folds. Additionally, a bundle of six unused sections of lead sheet was recovered from the Atocha. They are all nearly the same size, ca. 44 X 46cm, 1.261kg, and were found stacked together, and folded in half. (An interesting sidelight about these Atocha pieces, is that they might be the pattern of the typical, "standard" size for lead sheet, and examples of the sort of shingle that originally covered the Margarita's hull.) They were apparently being carried to patch any leaks that might spring during the voyage, and they too bear a clear, uniform cloth impression. For unused pieces to carry this trait makes it more likely that it resulted from the manufacturing process. Unfortunately, how lead sheet was manufactured in the early 17th century is not clear.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

http://www.melfisher.org/pdf/Lead_Sheathing_from_Santa_Margarita.pdf

 

[scrounger d detector collector]

thanks,this sounds more plausible than the other explaination. still it is of the ship np matter how small. my first period find. special to me even if others ridicule

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

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