coyote management

[CoinHunterAZ]

On a more serious note guys, coyotes can be a real problem. Many years ago when trapping and poisoning was banned here, there was a population explosion. In an area just south-east of where I live, they were killing so many antelope fawns that Game & Fish began a program to thin them out. This included the use of helicopters and shotguns. Poisoning is really not the answer, simply because so many other species are affected, foxes, birds of prey, etc. There was also organized "predator calling contests" events, sort of a bounty hunt where cash and prizes are awarded for pelts. Dealing with them on private land is a different issue, good luck on that one.

 

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[Silver Searcher]

The reason these animals have to trapped or snared is because they are so sneaky and elusive at times. I could sit on my farm all day and try and call them in to shoot them and not see one for days and my birds keep disappearing or I could set up a dozen traps and catch a couple and they may move on. It would be nice to have traps that are humaine for coyotes.

This does not make sence? sneaky and elusive, not see one for days.....I thought coyotes were everywere, and I would have thought it would be easy to see them...if they are supposed to be that many...Oh wait, they come at night..Mostly

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[Silver Searcher]

oh god ,, so much to write so little time.......why cant we all just get along ? no one is perfect we all will never agree 100% , no one has the right to tell others they are wrong,, you can disagree but you can not tell them they are wrong...i guarantee every one of us , even the ones saying it is wrong to kill animals do something wrong morally or ethically in some one elses eyes. so if you do not have a comment on how to do what the OP asked then ignore this thread please.

I thought we are getting along, just a difference of oppinions that's all. This is a general discussion forum, the topic Coyote problem and we are discussin it.

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[kuger]

.....there are humane traps....leghold traps,more money has been spent in developing BMP's (Better Management Practices)than doing the work itself.Snaring when done properly,and responsibly is also one of the most humane methods there are.The use of Sodium Cyanide in an M-44 devise is also very humane,(Death is instantaneous,in both the last two methods mentioned)I have personally been involved in extensive exhaustive research on more efficient and humane practices,and we have improved leaps and bounds regardless of the junk propaganda that people have spread.They simply dont know what they are talking about and are only echoing what they have been fed,by people who are benefiting financially.It ticks me off to hear these animal rights groups spew their BS when the kill more pets than any group around,yet supposed animal lovers continue to pump millions of dollars to these groups annually.Yes,I "Kill",for a living(as a last resort)but I guarantee you I have saved more animals than I have killed,and not even I could kill dogs,thousands of dogs PETS everyday...that is a heart less being right there.I said I would say no more,and I will not.I just ask that people get the true facts and not buy into the propaganda,then base your belief/opinion on that.By the way,anymore very little of my job is the protection of livestock,but the majority is spent PROTECTING endangered species from invasive/introduced birds/mammals.It it were not for what I do,several of them would already be near extinction if not there

 

[Silver Searcher]

Kuger....what about these, have you heard of them, or seen them in use. http://shop.tjb-inc.com/collarum-stainless-steel-humane-coyote-animal-snare-p1740.aspx

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[kuger]

Colin,I actually worked in the initial testing and development of the Collarum,and also a foot snare that works on the same principal(we actually use the foot snare quite a bit,especially on lions and bears)The Collarum is an OK tool,but the issue is,it uses a bait as an attractant,which draws fox's,coon's,dogs,cats,and many other non-targets.I can use a trail snare and use a stop,so it doesnt constrict and become lethal and accomplish the same result but set the snare loop at a height,and manner as to only catch what I am targeting.......that is HUGE.Also when an animal is snared around the neck and not immediatly killed,they tend to chew on what ever is holding them....steel cable,which either breaks teeth,or they chew out and now have a piece of steel wire around the neck...not good,and must be avoided.We dont see this chewing as much when snared by the foot,unless the animal is left,for a great amount of time.On that note as well,I want to point out that in 35 years of trapping I have NEVER ever had an animal chew on its foot.This only could happen if a person was not using the proper trap,and the foot was broken,and the trapper didnt check the trap within 24 hours.To not do either one of those is totally unacceptable.I want to add,you can have the best equiptment in the world and if you dont use it wisely,and responsibly,it is all worthless

 

[Gold Maven]

Cable snares with a relaxing type lock work great on coyotes when there is a chance of catching a dog.

I'ts all I use in Ohio, when the animal stops pulling, the cable backs off slightly, and the animal is not harmed. I have caught quite a few dogs, and they were all fine.

Stay away from fences, or anything else a dog could get tangled in, and you can release the dogs.

I get mine from the Snare Shop.com.

Good Luck.

 

[Jimmi]

Cable snares with a relaxing type lock work great on coyotes when there is a chance of catching a dog.

I'ts all I use in Ohio, when the animal stops pulling, the cable backs off slightly, and the animal is not harmed. I have caught quite a few dogs, and they were all fine.

Stay away from fences, or anything else a dog could get tangled in, and you can release the dogs.

I get mine from the Snare Shop.com.

Good Luck.

This was how my father in laws German Shephard sprained its ankle. She fought it and panicked and it chewed up her ankle and sprained it badly. Big vet bills . Was a neighbors trap in the mountains

 

[kuger]

This was how my father in laws German Shephard sprained its ankle. She fought it and panicked and it chewed up her ankle and sprained it badly. Big vet bills . Was a neighbors trap in the mountains

.........but she lived!Was she running wild?

 

[Jimmi]

.........but she lived!Was she running wild?

They all live on an extremely remote mountain .. No electric or anything .. Tbe dogs chase the bears from the log homes .. It's understood on tbe mnt that people let their dogs run for this. Purpose

 

[kuger]

....well,hopefully they arent chasing down deer as well,any dog in a pack will resort to "feral",instincts and is terror on legs.Also,you cant blame a trapper when dogs are let run free.She just as easily could have been injured in a thousand different ways....heck,what if a bear turned on her?Much worse could come to dogs running wild

 

[borlamm1]

Bunch of damn coyote huggers chiming in.....along w/a brit. If ya don't have somthing to add that pertains to the original post "how to git rid of coyotes" then go play in the road. Pref right. On the yellow line

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[hvacker]

We have an ongoing war in our village between those who want to adapt to living with coyotes as they say is a fact of nature and those that want to protect their pets, chickens, etc. Probably in both cases nature is missing. Over population of coyotes and chickens in pens creates something out of synch with nature. Seems whenever people get involved with their agenda nature goes hay wire. The US is a very different country than it was 500 years ago. Imagine Europe 5000 years ago. Now you won't see nature shows made in Europe unless you want to film trees and people.
In our village some will write reports to the newspaper telling all about the coyotes new pups they spotted or how some alpha male was spotted with a female. I sometimes wonder if printing these reports is just to cause the coyote haters blood to boil.
Driving in to the village there is a sign that says "Coyotes Live In Corrales." but someone keeps stealing the sign.

 

[kuger]

Bunch of damn coyote huggers chiming in.....along w/a brit. If ya don't have somthing to add that pertains to the original post "how to git rid of coyotes" then go play in the road. Pref right. On the yellow line

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What the hell do you expect when you ask on a TREASURE HUNTING FORUM!You are getting exactly what you asked for,and as I told you in PM,you are just causing damage to what we can legally do!!

 

[mical66]

i have never used traps , except for a cage trap trying to catch a ground hog,, you think coyotes are smart ? try to cage a freaken groundhog, all i can say is GRRRRRRRRRRRR with a capitol G !!!
any way i do not know Kuger , but he reminds me alot of a game and fresh water fish friend of mine,, very passionate about his work with animals , loves and respects them but also knows that some times you need to control a species or put down a animal , and that does not mean he is taking any pleasure in it.
i love to hunt and fish , but never kill for the fun of it. do i enjoy killing what i eat ? in a way yes , but it is more about the challenge of bringing meat home and every one loving it , and if you think it is easy to catch a deer or fish that are not used to seeing people 24/7 then be my guest to give it a try , it is not easy.
i have to agree that poison would not be a option for me in any shape for or fashion , my preference is a quick head shot. but sadly that is not always a option, the before mentioned ground hog refused a years worth of trapping attempts , once a month setting up the trap and watching if for days , changing the bait every day to no avail. shooting was not a option due to city limits , animal control , G&FWF officers refused to help due to it being a small wild animal and both actually told me to ignore city ordinace and use a 22 to kill it.
eventually i cornered it and used a store bought fumigant and gassed its 3 exit holes and quickly covered them to prevent escape .
now i know this will upset people but i had to get rid of the pest due to its digging under the foundation of 2 buildings and potentially doing hundreds of thousands of dollars of damage . i did not like how i had to do it but that is the only way left i could do it.
believe me, i tried putting dog poop in the holes to leave a scent to scare them away , chasing them , throwing sticks at them,,, people started refering to me as Bill Murry from caddy shack !!!! any way it is a done deal and point is some times you have to do what you do not like to do.

 

[Number9]

Traps (unless live catch) and poison are indiscriminate... sorry I just can't see using them!!
It takes a real heartless person to use either!!

 

[kuger]

Until we start practicing human control,there will be animal human conflict.Sometimes the most humane method of control is death,and there sometimes is no other option.I or anybody I have ever worked with has NOT taken "pleasure",in killing,but its what we do,and done as last resort and with respect.No living creature deserves to suffer.I have also been a Big Game Guide,and yes,I have seen people that had an unhealty joy in killing,but,it was there money they payed that helped to insure the future of the animals we were hunting(Especially the Bighorn Sheep)Hunting based groups put up millions of dollars a year that go to the preservation of land and the management of wild game.....no other group does this,but instead they lock up the groups that are trying to do right in costly court battles,which takes directly away from the benefit of the animals.Safari's in Africa,while are not for me,support a great many of the remote villages and insure that precious habitat is not razed for Ag,or logging....solely HUNTERS dollars support this,if it were not for hunting Africa would not be what it is today

 

[mical66]

Bunch of damn coyote huggers chiming in.....along w/a brit. If ya don't have somthing to add that pertains to the original post "how to git rid of coyotes" then go play in the road. Pref right. On the yellow line

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as i said earlier , you can disagree with some one , but do not name call or insult other members , we should all be adults here and argue our points justly.

 

[borlamm1]

Yeah I read ur pm and I agree w/u to a certain extent, but im not going to sit by and take flack from a bunch of right wing fanatics because they just hate to see a poor creature suffer. Point in case I went turkey hunting yesterday and called up a coyote. I couldn't get a shot because of the range but the rattlesnake I walked up on wasn't so lucky. 4' 2" with 17 rattlers n a button, but some people would say just let him be. Well I say give me your address and ill ship him right to ya then b/c if he stays here then....bam! They do taste like chicken though

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[kuger]

Traps (unless live catch) and poison are indiscriminate... sorry I just can't see using them!!
It takes a real heartless person to use either!!

OK,what kind of traps?

The only "Killer Trap",I can think of is a Connibear,and when set under the water like they are intended to do,they are very discriminant!They can also be set in trees,etc.That is a rediculous remark.A knowledgable trapper IS able to be VERY discriminate.How could an instant death be in humane?As I said,when used properly a neck snare is instant death.I guarantee it,I also guarantee they can be set to be discriminate...to a point.

As far as "poisons",why dont you clarify what poisons you mean...there are many.Do you use Decon?

See this is exactly why I dint want this thread,you end up with a bunch of mis-informed opinions,and yes they are MIS INFORMED.I am done with this