David and the Peralta stone maps.

[Quinan Bear]

Hello;
My name is David William Muise, I have made this post to show you all what I have discovered in concernes to the Peralta stone maps.
Before I show my information, let's get an idea of what it was like back then, before and after the apches started driving the "white man" out of their sacred lands.

Known facts;
The Apaches knew of places that were abundant in gold, some of them have shown others where these places were.
The Peraltas mined this area for years till the apaches killed or drove them out.
The apaches went into the mountains and gathered all the lose gold that they could find and hid it in a secret place, then they hid the veins themselves, so that others wouldn't find them.
The Peraltas also hid their mines and all traces of them ever being there.
Stone maps were created to show the mines and vault location.
There are several stone maps. Each map shows various locations in the superstition mountains.
These maps show many mines (not all were gold mines).
The stone maps were made in a way that would be very hard to figure out without knowing what to look for.
Well over 100 years of growth have covered over much of this disturbence of earth and rock.
I have added pictures of the stones themselves and some relevant places of interest. I will add more in time so please check in often to see what may have been added

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[Quinan Bear]

The Horse stone map;

This map is of an area just east of Weaver's needle. There are 5 dots around a #5 in the top left corner, with a line under them. These places are shown in the first picture and in the second picture. The first picture shows the horse map and all that is in it. Another area that can be viewed is on top of "horse mesa", looking towards Brown's peak mountains, you will see the river, just above the river is the outline of hills that match the line below the #5 and two mines under that line that are next to "the painted cliffs". the #5 is a formation in the mountain and the 5 dots around it, show you the locations of these mines.
Now looking from Brown's peak (marked with a white dot with a red ring) across the river at the cliffs, you will see the "horse" (circled). above the horse's neck is another mine. Just to the left of the horse's nose is a line. If you follow this line (a layer of rock in the cliff) you will come to another mine on top of the hill, following that line you will see the "cross" in the cliff.
I didn't pin point these areas because I would rather you do the work on your own without me giving you it all to you on a silver platter.

I have overlays of the map on the land for those of you that would like to have the ability to zoom in or fade out the picture to see the land under it. please message me if you want to have that file.

I will add something to this post, once every day until it's done. that way i have the chance to add to the post before moving on to the next map and a chance to answer your questions about what is posted.

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

Good morning David: go to Legends --> scroll down to --> the Lost /Dutchman mine -->'The Peralta Stone Maps, Real Maps to Lost Gold Mines or Cruel Hoax?

You will find some 774 posts on it. There are others also. Have fun.

Don Jose de La Mancha

 

[Quinan Bear]

Good morning David: go to Legends --> scroll down to --> the Lost /Dutchman mine -->'The Peralta Stone Maps, Real Maps to Lost Gold Mines or Cruel Hoax?

You will find some 774 posts on it. There are others also. Have fun.

Don Jose de La Mancha

I have read that topic and agree to the fact that these stones are much older then they apear regardless of the date. I also said before, that when looking at glyphs and marks on the rocks in the area, to look at the older ones first. I use the term "Peralta stones" for the simple reason that that is what people call them. I don't believe that it was them that did these stones. If it was them then I will have to say that they had help in making them from the Apaches. Many signs in the stones point to "Old" knowledge of the Superstition. I say this because the trail/heart stones are done in a fasion that shows that the one who made these stone maps had intimate knowledge of the area, more knowledge then most would think of putting on the stones. I also posted a picture of stones in a row on the side of a hill. These show you the way to something of great importance and value or something that they wanted to protect. (I have added a pic to this post to show you a few things on the stone row).

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

Good morning again David; I have this much to say, if I had followed conventional thinking and procedures, Tayopa would still be lost and a fading legend, eventually to just disappear..

Remember, while we may disagree with you, We haven't found the LDM either. So, don't lose faith in yourself.

Don Jose de La Mancha

 

[BILL96]

QB,
Going back to the first post of "known facts" a lot of people including myself would question your representation of of these as facts. You have listed legands and possible theories but I do not see any "facts"
Bill

 

[Quinan Bear]

I know that you want me to show you facts, but I am not going to give you all my information. I will say that my information comes from books that talk about the Aztec, native americans and the wild west. history book, legends of the past. etc....
i will not spend my time giving you my research, Look it up. I am tired of trying to prove myself to you guys. I will post what I feel is needed and let you deside from there, but I will no longer answer your questions of how I know what I know.
If you have questions about what I post? then I will answer them but this interigation about me is over...
I have been strugleing to get by, these past few years and I may not have internet either soon, money is tight. I want to get this information out there, this way if things get worse for me, I know that i have put this information out there for anyone with interet to see.

 

[cactusjumper]

David,

Good idea! Just post it all and get it over with.

Thanks,

Joe

 

[Quinan Bear]

Here is a view of the priest, the cross and heart, that is on the Priest stone map. notice how they all point to one place.
The cross has the "ring" on the top of it, The heart has the "ring" on the left of it, the priest's cross points to it.

So you have the Priest on the west, the Horse on the right, the cross to the north west and Heart to the north.

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[Oroblanco]

I know that you want me to show you facts, but I am not going to give you all my information. I will say that my information comes from books that talk about the Aztec, native americans and the wild west. history book, legends of the past. etc....
i will not spend my time giving you my research, Look it up. I am tired of trying to prove myself to you guys. I will post what I feel is needed and let you deside from there, but I will no longer answer your questions of how I know what I know.
If you have questions about what I post? then I will answer them but this interigation about me is over...
I have been strugleing to get by, these past few years and I may not have internet either soon, money is tight. I want to get this information out there, this way if things get worse for me, I know that i have put this information out there for anyone with interet to see.

Huh? I don't get it amigo.

If your finances are tight, and you know where these mines and treasures ARE....?? Why not go recover some gold and change the financial situation? This is confusing to me. I have to agree with Bill too, about some of the "known facts" as facts, for instance the Peralta mines in the Superstitions are not well documented. However I don't wish to be mistaken as discouraging you NOR interrogating you, so please do continue.
Oroblanco

 

[Quinan Bear]

Oroblanco;
As i stated before, I am dissabled and I don't believe that I have the right to go to phoenix and take gold from there just to help my finance problems. Perhaps I am wrong in thinking this, in your eyes but it is what I believe in and it's my code of conduct. If someone finds these mines and places from the information that I provide and they would like to share some of this gold with me, then and only then will I take it. I know that many if not all of you can't understand that but it's just the way I am.

 

[Quinan Bear]

here is the Heart stone overlay on land. look for the "gold cave" under a granite ledge.

I still say that the best place to find a gold vein is just north of Black top mesa, right next to the 3 red hills.


The picture of the heart overlay has been removed, please ask me if you want to see this file.

 

[Oroblanco]

Oroblanco;
As i stated before, I am dissabled and I don't believe that I have the right to go to phoenix and take gold from there just to help my finance problems. Perhaps I am wrong in thinking this, in your eyes but it is what I believe in and it's my code of conduct. If someone finds these mines and places from the information that I provide and they would like to share some of this gold with me, then and only then will I take it. I know that many if not all of you can't understand that but it's just the way I am.

Thank you for explaining; I still respectfully disagree however. Suppose someone were to fly from Florida to Great Bear lake, and discovered a supposedly "legendary" diamond mine; do you feel that person should not have any financial benefit from the discovery? Do you feel that all proceeds from the diamond mine, ought to be donated to the cities of Yellowknife, Fort Providence, Hay River and Fort Resolution? Perhaps a better example would be the lost Lemon gold mine of Alberta - do you feel that if someone were to find this mine, he or she would have no right to benefit from finding it? I don't agree with your logic on this issue, but won't argue the point with you - you are welcome to your opinion and may be right. If more folks held your view, of course there would be much less prospecting and treasure hunting, and very few new discoveries of minerals or lost treasures.

Oroblanco

 

[SANTA FE NEW MEXICAN]

Listening Just Listening Juan Quinto Kemm

 

[SANTA FE NEW MEXICAN]

(((((""""Every one every where"""" Why not go recover """"some gold"""" and change the financial situation Of """"Yourselves And The Community of Apache Junction""""))))

 

[Oroblanco]

(((((""""Every one every where"""" Why not go recover """"some gold"""" and change the financial situation Of """"Yourselves And The Community of Apache Junction""""))))

Apache Junction? I do not get all the altruistic fervor we find here among those who state they have found the Lost Dutchman, Peralta, mines of the Superstitions. What gives? No one ever says, well heck lets just give away all the value of any gold found in say, Colorado, to the city of Denver - so what is it about the Superstitions? Is there something DIRTY or immoral about wanting to be repaid for one's efforts, time and monetary investment in locating a lost treasure or lost mine? There is certainly nothing illegal about wanting to benefit for having searched for a lost treasure/lost mine, in fact the law recognizes your legal rights, generally speaking. So what is it about the Superstitions' various lost treasure legends, that so many want to just "give it away" instead of benefiting directly from it?

Oroblanco

 

[SANTA FE NEW MEXICAN]

Oro: I believe your right the consumer should go in to the superstitions, and find all the gold they can handle, and then cash it in in apache junction and spend a reasonable portion on whatever locally including maybeee some hot casino action of course take ''''some'''' of it home

 

[SANTA FE NEW MEXICAN]

Oh And I almost forgot then try to fit in a visit to """"Santa Fe"""" Great Casinos there as well as the 400th Festivities to spend """Some""" of your new found wealth from your journey to the Super Dupers.

 

[Oroblanco]

Oro: I believe your right the consumer should go in to the superstitions, and find all the gold they can handle, and then cash it in in apache junction and spend a reasonable portion on whatever locally including maybeee some hot casino action of course take ''''some'''' of it home

The consumer? Man, amigo it is getting harder and harder to take you seriously Santa Fe NM. How many "consumers" do you know, that have a clue how to even find gold? How many "consumers" can even identify gold, versus brass? Casinos too? Sheesh - I have to respectfully disagree with you too amigo. Do you feel that if someone were to invent a new device, which will earn millions of dollars, that inventor should get nothing for it? Your altruism is laudable and all that, but I prefer the honest, old-fashioned approach - "finders keepers" and those who work for it, get it. Those who had ZERO to do with earning it, get.....<can you guess>......exactly what they put into it!

I suppose that makes me a greedy, salivating, rapacious, avaricious hog only driven by the overweening desire to get rich quick, that I wholly disagree with the idea of simply giving away found treasures.

Don't get me wrong - charity is a great personal attribute; I just don't see the justice to the idea of "give it all away" when those you wish to benefit, have done NOTHING to help you find it. If they had helped you, then it is different!

Santa Fe NM also wrote

Oh And I almost forgot then try to fit in a visit to """"Santa Fe"""" Great Casinos there as well as the 400th Festivities to spend """Some""" of your new found wealth from your journey to the Super Dupers.

Hmm - well amigo, while I agree Santa Fe is a really nice city, and would not wish to dissuade anyone from visiting there - exactly how is it that city has contributed to any of us in the search for the Lost Dutchman, or any other lost treasure? Have the residents of the city, raised funds to help you search the Super-dupers, as you put it? Did the city council, write you a cash grant, providing funds to finance your search?

You don't care to explain to me, what is wrong with the finder of a lost treasure in the Super-dupers, being rewarded financially for his/her discovery? Thank you in advance,


Sign me "the selfish, greedy, salivating, rapacious, avaricious treasure hunter/prospector",
Oroblanco

 

[Cubfan64]

You have to read the Heart Stone to know exactly what part of AZ to be in to use the map!!!! And on what Mtn!!!! And what direction to look in............and it isnt NORTH

Hey T. Parker - you get points for at least showing an image of something that looks like a heart - plus you've obviously put your feet to the path there in order to highlight the possible rock corral's.

It looks more like something worth investigating than anything else I've seen on here lately!