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[Sky Pilot]

Re: WARNING!!! NO MORE DUMPING ON MY POST THREADS

Mike, skypilot02 here! I can see how you are offended, but please consider this: There are some things that some folks can't accept, and when someone tries to explain to the best of his or her ability, no matter how articulate you may be, there will be some folks who consider that you are trying to defend an indefensible position, and when a person doesn't experience something for theirself, they tend to quit listening after the first word. In other words, I have no doubt there are many things unknown to everyone, and I figure if dowsing works for you, you owe no one any explanation. They won't believe it if they don't experience it. Good or Bad? I say do whatever works and if others aren't open to the notion, so be it!! Good luck and great hunting, however you choose to do it!! Regards, Richard.

 

[Goodyguy]

Re: WARNING!!! NO MORE DUMPING ON MY POST THREADS

I'm with Mike,

An honest question is one thing. But for someone to constantly ridicule and debase what is being discussed is very annoying and childish and is counter productive to this forum!
I for one have no need to constantly read the negative comments of a self righteous self appointed protector of all us poor defenseless naive adults trying to save us from what they think is disinformation.

My comment would be that if you are behaving like this just for attention, then just butt out and let us grown ups talk. Please!

Of course you have the right to free speech. Just be mature enough to know the difference between constructive comments and just being a pest!
Until then I exercise my right to use the ignore button.

Sure, an honest question or concern is more than welcome. After all that's what this forum is about. That's how we learn from one another.

Sincerely,
Buddy~

 

[An Ri Rua]

Re: WARNING!!! NO MORE DUMPING ON MY POST THREADS

Hear hear Mike,

open criticism and debate is expected when we dowsers post here but not inane abuse and abuse for its own end. That is simply low-minded and also makes no sense to progressive sceptics either. The word septic is best used for those types and if you're dowsing them perchance, their serial number is 1-7-3-3. Don't be surprised if your pendulum protests You can know them by their number. Haha!

Incidentally, here are double-blind experiments that may be of interest to all enquiring minds, pro and anti dowsing : -

http://www.newphys.se/fnysik/3_1/dowsing/

Also, a very interesting article, Cali-based, which points to a local water-dowser with 90% success rate and discusses Findme http://www.findme2.com : - http://www.timespublications.com/mar07-feature2.asp Particularly with the success of FindMe and the high integrity of the ex law enforcement officials involved, I don't think its appropriate for these catcalls against dowsing to be tolerated any longer. rational questioning is fine. But not rudeness and badheartedness. There is no one here among us dowsers trying to milk you sceptics for money? What's the problem?

I cannot explain how dowsing works but I am appalled at the lack of imagination displayed by some sceptics when it is clear to many open-minded sceptics that something is going on that can't be ruled out. Pointing to the lack of success of a dowser under lab conditions is akin to pointing to Edison's multi-thousand lightbulb filament failures. Yes, procedures can be tightened up but it simply must be understood that the dowser's request that genuine targets be used, must be respected. Mere test-targets are not enough (for many dowsers, it may be a belief system issue) to lock onto those targets. But any scientist would not ignore voluminous anecdotal evidence that points to a dowsing effect. How it's happening? We don't definitively know yet. Is it commercially exploited? Yes. Worldwide. Sceptics should note De Re Metallica, a 16th century text that explicitly covers the use of dowsing to uncover mineral wealth. The success of these German dowsers was such that they were hired by the then monarch, Queen Elizabeth, and successfully uncovered England's first major ore finds of that time.

it is nigh on impossible to prove dowsing to the point of satisfaction of sceptics. Although this is an open part of the forum, surely, without blindly accepting the claims of dowsers, there at least could be an adult conducive and open conversation. Sometimes a minority of the sceptical posts here feel like they were written by a rebellious teenager whose parents just got him online. I can't see why the 'claims' made by dowsers in the open forum are so offensive and I hope that the moderators will allow the dowsers and the open-minded sceptics plenty of room to discuss and operate.

A final note: - when Marconi announced that he could pass voices through the 'ether' as they termed it then, his concerned friends had him locked up in a mental home for a few weeks. let's hope that, despite blow by blow proof for the doubting Thomases among us, they will at least listen and at least look at the claimed results of dowsers. Perhaps we can continue to build a bridge towards how it works. But it does and can be taught to almost all.

 

[chirper97]

Re: WARNING!!! NO MORE DUMPING ON MY POST THREADS

I'm with Mike.

Critics should simply start their own threads.

 

[An Ri Rua]

Re: WARNING!!! NO MORE DUMPING ON MY POST THREADS

If we don't like the way things are run here, we all have the option to take our knowledge, and business elsewhere. Dell

You mean in regards to the sceptic attacks or the dowser's sensitivity? I think a bit of fair play and well-meaning discussion serves all best. That seems to be the general tone here.

ps my post above, mea culpa, it seems Art had all of this covered already http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,118241.0.html

 

[Sky Pilot]

Re: WARNING!!! NO MORE DUMPING ON MY POST THREADS

Mike, I had no intention at all of ridiculing you, just the opposite in fact! I'd be one of the first to suggest defending ones self. Also, I do not think you are trying to defend an indefensible position, but proof is only proof to those who will acknowledge it. My point is, you are apparently verrry P.O.'d, and I believe some folks work towards that end, intentionally or not! Why satisfy someone else's desire, at the cost of you own piece of mind? I can't do anything about what folks say to me, (or about me, for that matter!), however, I exercise the control that I do have, which is how I react to what is said. The only power I have in the situation! And I also know the difference between helpful discussion, healthy debate, etc... Also, I agree there is no place for ridicule or to put anyone down here, just healthy debate will ever advance anyones knowledge. One never learns by speaking, only listening! Just trying to help, guess I should of kept myself out. Great hunting and good luck, all!!! Regards, Richard. P.S.; I will always TRY to be polite, but will assure everyone who reads this, I'll NEVER go along with the jerks in the politically correct crowd!!!! Agreed, mindless sheep will follow p.c. crap, not folks with freedom of thought!

 

[aarthrj3811]

Re: WARNING!!! NO MORE DUMPING ON MY POST THREADS

Hey skypolit02…Everyone one has a right to express their thoughts. I don’t like being belittled but that’s the way it is. These people will keep posting and getting madder and madder until they make a mistake and will get booted. I don’t use your type of dowsing but know a lot of people who are Mental Dowsers. I post only about the way Dowsing works for me. Until people learn that there is more than one way to Dowse we will always have different opinions on here. Exchange of information is the way to learn.

Heck...When I get upset on this forum I just type a few posts expressing my anger then delete them....Art

 

[chirper97]

Re: WARNING!!! NO MORE DUMPING ON MY POST THREADS

I've put up with this long enough. That goes for skeptics and so-called dowsers alike. I will report every last one from now on. There's plenty of sand here. Use your own cat box.

That 'ignore user' button comes in mighty handy for those darn mosquitoes sometimes!

 

[point hunter]

Re: WARNING!!! NO MORE DUMPING ON MY POST THREADS

Hi. I would like to begin by saying that I can and have been dowsing off and on since I was a teenager. I can understand your anger and frustration concerning this matter. However, we must realize when we post in the public forum of this site, then we are subject to ridicule by members who don't agree with what we say. I actually joined Tnet a couple of years ago, to respectfully confront some members who were posting mis/disinformation concerning things that I knew were untrue. I also posted once offering a $100.00 dollar bill to anyone that could prove scientifically that dowsing does not work to the satisfaction of the members. Of course, no one could collect the money but the offer still stands. If your interested, here is the link:
http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,71044.msg520974.html#msg520974
So, all I'm saying to you most respectfully is don't get mad, get even. Small minded individuals are just that, small minded and of no concern. I have seen members tolerate obvious abuse by these people and persevere and overcome. Offer your own challenge and then watch all the little minds run around and act stupid. It's really funny at times the things they come up with!

 

[ClonedSIM]

Re: WARNING!!! NO MORE DUMPING ON MY POST THREADS

Hi. I would like to begin by saying that I can and have been dowsing off and on since I was a teenager. I can understand your anger and frustration concerning this matter. However, we must realize when we post in the public forum of this site, then we are subject to ridicule by members who don't agree with what we say. I actually joined Tnet a couple of years ago, to respectfully confront some members who were posting mis/disinformation concerning things that I knew were untrue. I also posted once offering a $100.00 dollar bill to anyone that could prove scientifically that dowsing does not work to the satisfaction of the members. Of course, no one could collect the money but the offer still stands. If your interested, here is the link:
http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,71044.msg520974.html#msg520974
So, all I'm saying to you most respectfully is don't get mad, get even. Small minded individuals are just that, small minded and of no concern. I have seen members tolerate obvious abuse by these people and persevere and overcome. Offer your own challenge and then watch all the little minds run around and act stupid. It's really funny at times the things they come up with!

There's a million dollar offer out there for anyone who can prove dowsing works.... It's still unclaimed, if you were wondering....

 

[ClonedSIM]

Re: WARNING!!! NO MORE DUMPING ON MY POST THREADS

Hear hear Mike,

open criticism and debate is expected when we dowsers post here but not inane abuse and abuse for its own end. That is simply low-minded and also makes no sense to progressive sceptics either. The word septic is best used for those types and if you're dowsing them perchance, their serial number is 1-7-3-3. Don't be surprised if your pendulum protests You can know them by their number. Haha!

If I choose to correct what is an obvious flaw in a post created on a public forum, that is entirely within the rules of Treasurenet. Just because someone doesn't enjoy being corrected does not make them correct.

Mike doesn't like being corrected. This is a fact, and his sniffly rant here proves this. But, if he chooses to create posts that are flawed, then he has no recourse if someone corrects him. He's already ignoring my posts, so for you to assume that it's me he's referring to is simple ignorance. Also, if you'd bother to read what's been written here, you can see that Mike is also complaining about dowsers. So, again, mentioning my name specifically can only be chalked up to ignorance.

But, if he actually is reading my posts and chooses not to respond, then he has no right to complain about anything.

This is something I've stated many times. Dowsers are afforded the luxury of having a forum in which disagreeing viewpoints are not allowed (very open-minded.) He could post there if, as he states, he's only trying to share ideas, but does not want to encounter anyone who disagrees with him.

 

[ClonedSIM]

Re: WARNING!!! NO MORE DUMPING ON MY POST THREADS

It reaches a point where it is in-your-face harassment. That's no longer free speech, that's abusive. I don't plan on winning any popularity contest. I say what I know is right, not what's politically correct. The skeptics are the ones who are trying to defend the indefensible. I don't want anything to do with them. I come here to post my dowsing knowledge. They come to try and block me from posting it. I even get ridiculed by some dowsers.

If you're referring to my posts on your threads, Mike, you couldn't be further from the truth. When I see a post of yours, I'm always interested in hearing what you have to say. But, if you'll care to review, I don't create a post in each of your threads. When I see an error in your thought process, I point this out to you. But you never bother to respond. When you say that you come here to post your dowsing knowledge, wouldn't it benefit everyone if what you're posting was accurate?

Again, not saying there are errors in all of your posts, far from it. But there have been, and I've provided proof in the corresponding threads, instances where something you've written was incorrect. I give you the correct information so you might review your thoughts.

 

[whiskeycellar]

Re: WARNING!!! NO MORE DUMPING ON MY POST THREADS

mike thats why i told you to post in the I believe forum.

 

[oldbill]

Re: WARNING!!! NO MORE DUMPING ON MY POST THREADS

af1733, Have know of Mike for more years than anyone on here except Dell and he get's mad and get's upset! Need to handle him with kid gloves. He has worked hard at trying to conquer dowsing. Bill

 

[aussie 1]

Re: WARNING!!! NO MORE DUMPING ON MY POST THREADS

And Mike is frustrated Bill cause he still cant dowse and claims to be an authority on the subject. Look at all his posts. Max

 

[ThTx]

Re: WARNING!!! NO MORE DUMPING ON MY POST THREADS

This is a position I can truly support. If you don't like what someone has posted, you should be intelligent enought to start your own post instead of hijacking someone else's for your own personal rant! Just my personal rant.

 

[ClonedSIM]

Re: WARNING!!! NO MORE DUMPING ON MY POST THREADS

af1733, Have know of Mike for more years than anyone on here except Dell and he get's mad and get's upset! Need to handle him with kid gloves. He has worked hard at trying to conquer dowsing. Bill

It's obvious Mike puts a lot of thought into his threads. I tip my hat to him to being as persistent as he is, especially in the face of some of the adversity he receives on this forum. That being said, if he's able to be hurt by said responses, then he probably needs to find a softer location to post his thoughts.

No one is here to try to hurt his feelings, but if his feelings are hurt this easily, he may want to consider posting in less volatile areas of TreasureNet. Dowsing is an odd subject, with two very different groups of people posting here. There's always going to be debate about it, and the posts Mike create take that controversial subject and run it up two or three steps higher, as he does tend to write some rather questionable posts. It's the nature of the beast that if someone spots an error in his post, it will be pointed out.

 

[ClonedSIM]

Re: WARNING!!! NO MORE DUMPING ON MY POST THREADS

This is a position I can truly support. If you don't like what someone has posted, you should be intelligent enought to start your own post instead of hijacking someone else's for your own personal rant! Just my personal rant.

This isn't a bad thought, but it's not really welcome on TreasureNet.

I know that Jeff has made a point in the past of stating that it's not permissible to refer to another member in a post where he or she is not already posting. In essence, I can't create a thread in which I call into question Mike's ideas since he never joined into that thread with me. So, if you want to create a response, you pretty much have to create a new post on the original thread you want to respond to.

But, honestly, that's the point of this forum anyway, right? How distracting would it be if every person had to start a whole new thread just to write a response to someone else's thought? There's be millions of them by this point!