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[ClonedSIM]

Re: Nobody said anything about logic

FACT: A harmonic signal line running under high tension power lines can no longer be detected with hand held Copper/Brass L-Rods within 15-20 feet of the power lines. The signal line can be detected and traced again 15-20 feet the other side of the high tension power lines. Dell

Okay, so high tension lines can't be found with a pair of rods when you're nearby them. Thanks for your input, Dell!

But, unlike Ivan, you believe signal lines are the key to dowsing. And, if I'm not mistaken, signal lines emanate away from a target and are detected by the rods?

Af, you are mistaken, and nothing you repeated that I supposedly said, or what you said I believe, is correct.
If you can't accept it as it is posted, then don't reply. But as the expression says, " If the shoe fits, wear it." Dell


But if I said what you though you said is what that guy said was wrong, then the guy talking about what he said about his beliefs would be right, based on String Theory.......

Dell, you told us "A harmonic signal line running under high tension power lines can no longer be detected with hand held Copper/Brass L-Rods within 15-20 feet of the power lines." And I said that high tension lines can't be found with a pair of rods when you're near them.

You're right, I said the lines themselves couldn't be found, and you said it was the signal lines that couldn't be found. Is that what you're making all this fuss over? Seriously? Grow up, Dell.....

You know, it's really funny. For as much as you call me a troll and a troublemaker, Ivan, SWR and I had a nice conversation going until you decided to chime in......

But, unlike Ivan, you believe signal lines are the key to dowsing. And, if I'm not mistaken, signal lines emanate away from a target and are detected by the rods?

Af, you can stop your BS at any time.

I do NOT believe Signal lines are the key to Dowsing. Yes , again you are intentionally mistaken about Signal lines.

Your discussions are physics related to the physics application use of L-Rod(s) to meter signal lines.

THAT IS NOT TRUE DOWSING. Dowsing is considered in the category of Meta-Physics. Map, Photo, Information Dowsing, psychic, mental target discrimination, ideomotor response, etc.

FYI, I related a physics FACT, in accordance with your discussion. I'm sorry being factual disturbs you. Quit trying to change fact, and truth with illogical logic. Get used to it, and accept my posts exactly as they are written and stop twisting what I say just to fill up space on this board and create argument.

I have never called you a "troll", or a "troublemaker". That is a lie! But, as the expression goes, "If the shoe fits, wear it". Dell

So full of anger, aren't you little man??

Okay, let's play your game for awhile.
I do NOT believe Signal lines are the key to Dowsing. Yes , again you are intentionally mistaken about Signal lines.

Your discussions are physics related to the physics application use of L-Rod(s) to meter signal lines.

THAT IS NOT TRUE DOWSING. Dowsing is considered in the category of Meta-Physics. Map, Photo, Information Dowsing, psychic, mental target discrimination, ideomotor response, etc.
No one brought up signal lines in this discussion till you did, Dell. Do you really not understand this?

Perhaps if you have such a problem with what is being discussed here, you should begin your own thread and invite users to post there. Honestly, you've added nothing at all to this discussion.

FYI, I related a physics FACT, in accordance with your discussion. I'm sorry being factual disturbs you. Quit trying to change fact, and truth with illogical logic. Get used to it, and accept my posts exactly as they are written and stop twisting what I say just to fill up space on this board and create argument.
Again, no one was arguing here till you started it, Dell.

But, okay, let's see.

So, in you head, signal lines are a fact, right? And harmonic signal lines coming off of power lines are also factual? But if you're far away you can't find those signal lines from the power lines with rods, and this to you is the only true dowsing?

And to say you've never called me a troublemaker.....Dell.......honestly man..... Who's the liar here??

 

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[ivan salis]

Re: Nobody said anything about logic

gentlemen please --- being able to disagree about various subjects without being disagreeible to one another and stooping to crass personal attacks is the mark of a well developed mind -- (act like the grown ups that you both are please)-- keep it civil ---as per "rules"

 

[ivan salis]

Re: Nobody said anything about logic

plus as a great spokesman (mark twain) once said ---"the rule is perfect : in all matters of opinion -- my adversaries are insane."

 

[ClonedSIM]

Re: Nobody said anything about logic

So, in you head, signal lines are a fact, right? And harmonic signal lines coming off of power lines are also factual? But if you're far away you can't find those signal lines from the power lines with rods, and this to you is the only true dowsing?

Of course, it's easy enough for any intelligent to read my posts to see this is not at all what I said.

In Af's case, I'll have to agree with Mark Twain. Dell

Since your opinion of me is that I have a low intelligence level (you're a fan of Twain, Dell?) please explain, in plain English, what your theory of signal lines consists of. Please do not resort to your typical responses such as "You don't want to learn anything," or "It's too complicated for you to understand," or "I've explained this before."

If you're capable of explaining this theory, then you're capable of explaining it is a fashion that is plainly understandable, so as not to generate questions or requests for later explanations.

 

[aussie 1]

Re: Nobody said anything about logic

A signal line as I know it is if you have a mental hit from a few yards away and it may be in an awkward position and the target is being picked up at an awkward unusable angle. As you are not standing over the underground target but by obtaining a mental hit from another approach and by obtaining a mental X from 2 directions, a direct position can easily be obtained.
No different to long range bombing in cloudy conditions in WW2 or me trying to pinpoint a target under a low wide spreading bush which is Jesuit favorite setup.
Max

 

[ClonedSIM]

Re: Nobody said anything about logic

A signal line as I know it is if you have a mental hit from a few yards away and it may be in an awkward position and the target is being picked up at an awkward unusable angle. As you are not standing over the underground target but by obtaining a mental hit from another approach and by obtaining a mental X from 2 directions, a direct position can easily be obtained.
No different to long range bombing in cloudy conditions in WW2 or me trying to pinpoint a target under a low wide spreading bush which is Jesuit favorite setup.
Max

Are the signal lines you speak of visible in any way?

 

[ivan salis]

Re: Nobody said anything about logic

I'm saying IF (and thats a big IF) one believes in the "signal line theory" * that faint amounts of energy are given off by "natural objects" and are thus in some way detectible ( the theory of which you clearly do not "believe" is possible )--that the "known" high energy levels given off by bleed off from "high power lines" could in theory mess with the faint "natural signal lines"--- thats all--- I 'm not trying to prove or disprove the existance of said "naturail signal ines" ---just saying IF they do exist --it would be easy to understand how high powerlines "could" easily mess em up in theory at least.

signal lines being of faint energy would not be visable --but radio and tv signals aren't "visible" either --but we know that they exist .--- crystal radios used natural crystals

 

[aarthrj3811]

Re: Nobody said anything about logic

Hey Ivan….Signal lines are also a mystery to me. I know every thing I need to use them. I know where to find them. I know how to follow them. I also know where and what is emitting them. I don’t have to be a rocket scientist to use them for my gain. I guess it is just so simple that some people will never get it…Art

 

[ClonedSIM]

Re: Nobody said anything about logic

I'm saying IF (and thats a big IF) one believes in the "signal line theory" * that faint amounts of energy are given off by "natural objects" and are thus in some way detectible ( the theory of which you clearly do not "believe" is possible )--that the "known" high energy levels given off by bleed off from "high power lines" could in theory mess with the faint "natural signal lines"--- thats all--- I 'm not trying to prove or disprove the existance of said "naturail signal ines" ---just saying IF they do exist --it would be easy to understand how high powerlines "could" easily mess em up in theory at least.

signal lines being of faint energy would not be visable --but radio and tv signals aren't "visible" either --but we know that they exist .--- crystal radios used natural crystals

This isn't really the greatest comparison you could have made. Radio and television signals are purposelly generated at a certain strength and frequency, for the sole purpose of being detected by a number of sources. They carry very specific information and, upon detection, there's no question as to what they are and what they exist for. It isn't necessary to see the waves since there are machines built to translate those signals.

But signal lines seem to generate spontaneously, don't seem to be "meant" to be detected by anything, and the only way of locating them is with dowsing rods?

Now, I know you're not saying they do or don't exist, but if they are real things, and many people seem to believe this, then surely there are other methods of detecting them and intrepreting the information contained in them?

 

[ClonedSIM]

Re: Nobody said anything about logic

Hey Ivan….Signal lines are also a mystery to me. I know every thing I need to use them. I know where to find them. I know how to follow them. I also know where and what is omitting them. I don’t have to be a rocket scientist to use them for my gain. I guess it is just so simple that some people will never get it…Art

Could it be even simpler, Art? Could it be that you assume these lines exist, and that you assume you're following them, when in fact your rods are being guided by your own movements and a knowledge of where items of interest are likely to be deposited?

 

[PBK]

Re: Nobody said anything about logic

A reminder...

If you want to discuss dowsing in an open forum in a mature, mutually respectful, and courteous manner... then do that.

If you're only interested in exchanging insults, innuendoes, and cheap shots... do it somewhere else.

 

[ClonedSIM]

Re: Nobody said anything about logic

FYI, Signal lines are NOT related to mental Dowsing, which IS the subject permitted to be discussed on this forum.

Signal Lines, are descriptive words I use to describe a detectable "field" generated by harmonics between a discriminated target, and a mechanical device, which is NOT permitted to be discussed on this forum.

Harmonic induced "Signal Lines" are real, and have been metered electronicly. Sometimes, when conditions have been right, generated "Signal Lines" have been captured on regular Polaroid film.

These are but two visual examples of the "field" that the Hand held Rod(s) will cross, and align with a target harmonic "Signal line".

Photo #1. A generated "Signal Line" taken with a 35mm camera, using special treated Fuji film.

Photo #2. Taken with a specially made Kodak digital infra-red camera. The Orange/red Flare is the natural emenating "field" of twoGold deposits some distance apart. You can see the naturally generated harmonic Signal Line between the two deposits. Dell

So Dell, it's your position that "signal lines" are not a counterpart or product of "mental" dowsing, and as a result should not be discussed here as mechanical dowsing methods are not allowed on this forum?

But is it possible that the signal lines you speak of, and the ones that Ivan and I were talking about, are two different things?

 

[ClonedSIM]

Re: Nobody said anything about logic

But is it possible that the signal lines you speak of, and the ones that Ivan and I were talking about, are two different things?

NO! You are discussing known laws of physics. Mental Dowsing is not a known physics application. (meta-physics, psychic, ideomotor response, etc.)

The physical generation of Signal lines, by mechanical means, and the inherent limitations are concurrent with Laws of Physics.

Mental Dowsing with the human mind is not as restricted, if at all, by external physics. Imaginary Signal Lines conjured by the brain was not included in your discussion, and they are not included in my mental Dowsing. Signal lines, are strictly an external physics application.

If you wish to continue discussions of "Physics" applications of L-Rod(s) I again suggest you get Marc, to permit you to start an LRL discussion forum.

Dell

Honestly, I believe a discussion that fits within the known laws of physics will ultimately be much more rewarding than a discussion of anything meta-physical. Reason being that these are theories and calculations that have been tested and are already known to work.

But, if none of this would be allowable discussion here, then the signal lines must remain of the mental variety, and as such remain only theory and guesswork.

 

[ClonedSIM]

Re: Nobody said anything about logic

But, if none of this would be allowable discussion here, then the signal lines must remain of the mental variety, and as such remain only theory and guesswork.

Sorry, I see no rational logic to your reasoning and therefore I conclude my replies to this direction of thinking you keep trying to lead us to.

Mental Dowsing is not about laws of physics. Please, don't complain your objections about TNET forum rules to me, I don't make the rules. Please air your complaints with the Moderator. Thanks! Dell

I believe you misunderstood me, Dell.

I'm taking your explanation of the mechanical vs. mental signal lines and agreeing with you. If the signal lines I've been speaking to Ivan about are strictly confined to mental dowsing, and the signal lines you're speaking of are strictly confined to mechanical dowsing, then we should definitely cease discussion of the mechanical end of things, lest someone be penalized for referring to them in this forum. But I also pointed out that if the only signal line discussion we're left with is that of the mental variety, then the discussion has effectively come to an end as these can only be spoken of terms of theoritical discussions.

I'm here looking for a rational and scientifically valid way to show dowsing works as has been described.

I'm sorry you think I was complaining about anything to you as this surely wasn't my intent.

 

[ClonedSIM]

Re: Nobody said anything about logic

So, who are the SCIENTIST on this forum that are as experienced in Dowsing, Treasure Hunting, or LRL's, as I am that you wish to engage in Scientific discussion about "signal Lines? Are you a Scientist? How about some credentials?

I am not a Scientist. I am a Kentucky hillbilly with only a 6th grade country education. Why ask me questions in your quest for Scientific answers? Dell

You use scientific-sounding terms in your various explanations. This would indicate that you're aware of the meanings of these terms.

Also, why should I need any kind of scientific credentials to speak with you about dowsing? You don't have credentials, neither do I. But we each have experience in different areas, enough so for an intelligent discussion.