did a beach hunt this afternoon

[GatorBoy]

 

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[GatorBoy]

No prob. and welcome aboard.

 

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[joshuaream]

Welcome from Broward county. Midden context is key to Florida shell artifacts, and it sounds like you are getting them from the right context!

 

[GatorBoy]

Its hard 4 people surrounded by cornfields and such.. to get it

 

[scepter1]

I find drilled clam shells almost daily...

This one happens to be 17 million years old -> I found it on the Oregon coast.

Don't know how one could tell yours are artifacts without seeing more obvious, non-natural alterations.

Rich.

 

[GatorBoy]

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[BeachComber7]

do you know what a midden is?

No, what is it?

 

[BeachComber7]

I too am in St Lucie, almost to Jensen. Can throw a rock and make it over the county line.

 

[GatorBoy]

Aaahhh...

 

[Harry Pristis]

Aaahhh... well nowadays we have things like garbage men and the dump. natives had areas they would pile their trash they would even keep separate piles 4 certain types of debris. those middens differred from place to place kinda like if you saw the trash from a rich neighborhood verses a campsite.

I did not know that! What's old is new, isn't it! What your describe above sounds like what my county does now: newspaper in one bin; plastic in a different bin; household garbage in the compactor. Did your Native Americans have separate piles for their tree trimmings and small appliances?

Formerly, I believed that the organic components of kitchen middens were primarily food remains (raw and also digested food), throwaway household goods, and some human burials. On the east coast, the midden shellfish remains are (I thought) dominated by oyster shell. In the St. Johns River valley, the primary shellfish component is a small snail, Vivipara sp. On the West Coast of Florida, the shell middens are a mix of clams, ribbed mussel, several species of Tagelus (a clam), and several species of whelk (Busycon).

But, this is just what Jerry Milanich and Charlie Fairbanks had to say. Now, we have your description of how these middens were organized. Don't stop now.

 

[GatorBoy]

you know I could spout out of as much literary #@&$ as you. I was responding to someone who honestly didn't know. should I define the word in symbols the way the encyclopedia britannica defines it so it makes more sense to you. let me know I'm sure you will. if you have the time to waste be my guest