Does someone have map of restricted area (1715 fleet et al) for Florida East Coast?

[signal]

As is said here, detecting in many parts of the water is not legal, as their is an existing lease. The question becomes, how do I as a hobbyist know where that is? It's not like there is a sign posted. So does someone have a definitive way, perhaps a map, website, gps coordinates, etc that show where one can and cannot detect in the water on the east coast of Florida?

Much appreciated!

 

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[Treasure_Hunter]

I dont have a map, but generally from just north of Port St lucia, to just north of Sebastion Inlet.... Jensen Beach is the last beach I know is legal in the water...... I personally would not go in the water from North of Jensen Beach to a few miles north of Sebastion Inlet.....

 

[signal]

The furthest south wreck for the area you describe I was able to find with a lease is at 27.19.0N X 80.12.30W. That's well above St. Lucie given the 3000yd radius.

I am frustrated at the state of Florida. I can't rely on information on TreasureNet or websites. I need information from the State, they are the only one in authority. And with them making 20% and selling leases, you would expect a crisp website, with maps, laws and info to help us. Instead we have to cobble together bits of information. If a new lease is struck tomorrow, how am I suppose to know about it? Normal trespass laws require information be posted, or warning be given before a civil case will be successful (within reason). I am not sure if these treasure leases bypass that? I mean that can be pretty unreasonable unless you know the GPS coordinates, dates of the leases, have a GPS on you, etc.

Also it is not clear to me, if the law is broken by having a detector in the water, or if the removal of items is where the law is broken? Or is the removal of items technically ok, so long as they are given to the party that holds the lease?

Sorry for the rant.......

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

In the 6+ years I have been hunting, I have never seen a map of the restricted area, I just know the area covered.

Nieves wreck is south of Ft Pierce and that is the southern part of the protected area which is just north of Port St Lucie....... You have the Wedge wreck just north of inlet there at Fort Pierce, then the Sandy point wreck, the Rio Mar Wreck, the Corrigans Wreck, and the Cabin wreck which brings you to Sebastian Inlet.

You can swim and dive all you want, but I highly recommend you do not want to take a detector into the water. They have the ability to not only seize your detector but your vehicle as well..... If you want to take a chance good luck, but be for-warned, the penalty is not cheap....

 

[signal]

Treasure Hunter, I disagree with you. Your saying that because you cannot ascertain the status of all leases, locations, etc that someone should avoid treasure hunting the water altogether? That doesn't make sense. At best I would research it as best I can, and then move forward with the information I have. To deprive myself of hunting the waters up to 10' out, just because I might be off on coordinates, or a lease might have gone into effect since I last checked, doesn't make sense. Maybe I am being naive.......I want to follow the law, and will, to the best of my ability. But my ability is largely dependent on the data the state is making available.

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

Your call, just warning you is all..They don't play games and ignorance of the law is not a viable defense..

 

[zenman]

Try contacting Brent at Queens Jewels LLC. 513-235-1105.

 

[zenman]

Or just go here:

WWW.treasurenet.com/forums/shipwrecks/47511-off-shore-lease-1715-sites.html

 

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Or just go here:

WWW.treasurenet.com/forums/shipwrecks/47511-off-shore-lease-1715-sites.html

Along with your detector, while in the water I would assume you are protecting yourself as well with your harpoon sling and "filet" blade attached to your leg and hip!
I mean, when I'm diving ALONE and METAL DETECTING in the ocean, especially when it is the ATLANTIC OCEAN and not private property or a known protected/bounded/operated PUBLIC SERVICE and I am TOUCHED unexpectedly, I shoot in that direction and start swinging my blade like a maniac.
I mean, come on... I'm in FLORIDA and I didn't get all suited up and ready to be BAIT!..

A "restricted" area of the ocean.... Pffft. I'm from Yonkers fool.

 

[Darke]

I was going add that most of the info I got was always conflicting but then noticed the date of the thread lol. Holy necro Batman.

 

[ARC]

Ahhh an old thread revived.

IF anyone is interested... this is pretty much ALL info you need on detecting the treasure coast...

http://www.mdhtalk.org/articles/beaches/1715-fleet/1715-article.pdf

 

[LM]

Ahhh an old thread revived.

IF anyone is interested... this is pretty much ALL info you need on detecting the treasure coast...

http://www.mdhtalk.org/articles/beaches/1715-fleet/1715-article.pdf

Thats pretty amazing; but I cannot, for the life of me, understand what might inspire someone to compile that, then just give it away. Maybe old age or a terminal disease, or something like that, but that's a ton of work to develop insights into things that you wouldn't want everyone else having (even though most of it is available on the internet, these days, it's still not all neatly compiled like it is there)

This kind of MD'ing is very much a zero sum game. Most people are incredibly non-creative and lack ability to effectively solve abstract problems... but they do have the ability to show up and start copying successful methods once someone lets the cat out of the bag. That lucky SOB in the 1840's at Sutters Mill in California who could walk around and pick up Gold Nuggets was also the dumbest SOB alive for ever telling a soul about it...

 

[ARC]

Thats pretty amazing; but I cannot, for the life of me, understand what might inspire someone to compile that, then just give it away. Maybe old age or a terminal disease, or something like that, but that's a ton of work to develop insights into things that you wouldn't want everyone else having (even though most of it is available on the internet, these days, it's still not all neatly compiled like it is there)

This kind of MD'ing is very much a zero sum game. Most people are incredibly non-creative and lack ability to effectively solve abstract problems... but they do have the ability to show up and start copying successful methods once someone lets the cat out of the bag. That lucky SOB in the 1840's at Sutters Mill in California who could walk around and pick up Gold Nuggets was also the dumbest SOB alive for ever telling a soul about it...

Amazing wht people "share" these days... sheesh just join FakeBook and you will see what someone just had to eat or drink less than a minute ago. heh

I too am amazed at what a little finger flapping turns out / up.

 

[RickFlorida]

I have the same problem/frustration. I like to metal detect for modern jewelry just like we do in any other beaches. I want to know if I understand correctly that according to this old map, I see space in between the restricted lease sites. So I can detect for modern jewelry in between these lease sites, correct? But how do I get the exact coordinates so I don't break any laws? (Only detect for modern jewelry in shallow waters off beach between the lease sites).

Aren't the red boxes I made on this map non lease areas and thus one could metal detect for modern jewelry? I understand there are state rules against keeping historic items if found in waters, I'm talking about metal detecting for mondern jewelry like people do all the time all over florida in the water. I live in Brevard and don't want to drive too far.

How do I do this correctly?

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

You can detect the beach above the water line all you want. You can't detect in the water even for modern jewelry in lease areas as it violates Florida law.

Just remember ignorance of the law is not an excuse, and can get you in trouble. It is your responsibility to be sure you are not in a lease area.

Here are the cords of lease areas.

BENT ANCHOR S32G 27.55.7N X 80.29.12W; East to 27.55.7N X 80.28.57W; South-southeast to 27.53.28N X 80.27.24W; West to 27.53.28N X 80.27.68W; then follow the mean low tide line to point of beginning.

CABIN WRECK S27 27.49.8N X 80.25.55W is the center point of a 3,000 yard radius excluding all land west of mean low tide line.

DOUGLAS BEACH S26 27.25.3N X 80.16.50W is the center point of a 3,000 yard radius excluding all land west of the mean low tide line.

POWER PLANT S25 27.21.2N X 80.13.65W is the center point of a 3,000 yard radius excluding all land west of the mean low tide line.

ANCHOR WRECK S23 27.48.2N X 80.24.70W is the center point of a 3,000 yard radius excluding all land west of the mean low tide line.

SPRING OF WHITBY S23 27.46.0N X 80.23.83W is the center point of a 3,000 yard radius excluding all land west of the mean low tide line.

RIO MAR S23 27.38.3N X 80.20.90W is the center point of a 3,000 yard radius excluding all land west of the mean low tide line.

SANDY POINT S23 27.35.8N X 80.19.65W is the center point of a 3,000 yard radius excluding all land west of the mean low tide line.

UNKNOWN S23 27.19.0N X 80.12.30W is the center point of a 3,000 yard radius excluding all land west of the mean low tide line.

CORRIGANS WRECK S25 27.46.2N X 80.22.67W is the center point of a 3,000 yard radius excluding all land west of the mean low tide line

 

[ConceptualizedNetherlandr]

Ahhh an old thread revived.

IF anyone is interested... this is pretty much ALL info you need on detecting the treasure coast...

http://www.mdhtalk.org/articles/beaches/1715-fleet/1715-article.pdf

That is an incredible act of altruism. Someone should send Lee Wiese a fruit basket or sumptin.

 

[RickFlorida]

You can detect the beach above the water line all you want. You can't detect in the water even for modern jewelry in lease areas as it violates Florida law.

Just remember ignorance of the law is not an excuse, and can get you in trouble. It is your responsibility to be sure you are not in a lease area.

Here are the cords of lease areas.

BENT ANCHOR S32G 27.55.7N X 80.29.12W; East to 27.55.7N X 80.28.57W; South-southeast to 27.53.28N X 80.27.24W; West to 27.53.28N X 80.27.68W; then follow the mean low tide line to point of beginning.

CABIN WRECK S27 27.49.8N X 80.25.55W is the center point of a 3,000 yard radius excluding all land west of mean low tide line.

DOUGLAS BEACH S26 27.25.3N X 80.16.50W is the center point of a 3,000 yard radius excluding all land west of the mean low tide line.

POWER PLANT S25 27.21.2N X 80.13.65W is the center point of a 3,000 yard radius excluding all land west of the mean low tide line.

ANCHOR WRECK S23 27.48.2N X 80.24.70W is the center point of a 3,000 yard radius excluding all land west of the mean low tide line.

SPRING OF WHITBY S23 27.46.0N X 80.23.83W is the center point of a 3,000 yard radius excluding all land west of the mean low tide line.

RIO MAR S23 27.38.3N X 80.20.90W is the center point of a 3,000 yard radius excluding all land west of the mean low tide line.

SANDY POINT S23 27.35.8N X 80.19.65W is the center point of a 3,000 yard radius excluding all land west of the mean low tide line.

UNKNOWN S23 27.19.0N X 80.12.30W is the center point of a 3,000 yard radius excluding all land west of the mean low tide line.

CORRIGANS WRECK S25 27.46.2N X 80.22.67W is the center point of a 3,000 yard radius excluding all land west of the mean low tide line

So do you mean to say that there are no gaps between leases? Why did they make the map appear to show gaps between leases? (The dotted lines or the straight lines suggest gaps are between the leases). Why would they make the map like this if there are no gaps between leases? This makes no sense. I drew rectangles where it appears to me there are gaps between leases. But am I wrong and the leases touch each other? Wouldn't that make it harder for lease owner to not accidentally travel into each other's claims if there are no gaps? Why would there be no gaps between leases because that would mean some leases cover more territory than other claims because in order for the State to make up consecutive/touching leases, it would mean some guys have much larger claims. The ships didn't wreck at exact intervals. This makes no sense. Of course you can't keep historic treasure if found in non lease water, I'm just talking about modern jewelry detecting on the beach like anywhere else. I don't understand how there can be no gaps between the leases.

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

I have given you the cords of the leases, you would have to physically measure off the cords given, there are no written directions to areas between the leases and all you will end doing is getting into trouble.

The lease owners pay some homeowners on the shore to report people with detectors in water.

You say you are in Brevard county so start 3/4 mile north of Sebastian Inlet and you can hunt in the water all the way North, or start 1/2 mile South of Fort Pierce and detect south.