Dowsing test

[ClonedSIM]

Oh, and please, point out where you think I am in error.....

 

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[aarthrj3811]

Scientific Studies are just studies...One study proves nothing. Ten studies may or may not give a trend of how some theory may work. That theory will continue to be studied until there is enough proof to validate it. Then there still will be studies by Scientist to disprove the theory....The odds are that the theory will be changed again...Art

 

[ClonedSIM]

Is that an answer to my question, or a jumbled selection of your thoughts?

I mean, I understand what you are saying, but the scientific community, as a whole, has deemed dowsing as a pseudo-science, and only the random study attempts to find any new information. Why is this do you suppose?

 

[aarthrj3811]

I

mean, I understand what you are saying, but the scientific community, as a whole, has deemed dowsing as a pseudo-science, and only the random study attempts to find any new information. Why is this do you suppose?

Now Randi and Carl are the whole Scientific Community?

 

[Carl-NC]

I

mean, I understand what you are saying, but the scientific community, as a whole, has deemed dowsing as a pseudo-science, and only the random study attempts to find any new information. Why is this do you suppose?

Now Randi and Carl are the whole Scientific Community?

Art,

I posted a link to "The Divining Rod," a USGS publication written in 1917. Why didn't you read it?

I also posted a link to Ray Hyman's article. Why didn't you read it?

I also posted a link to Don Lancaster's article. Why didn't you read it?

 

[ClonedSIM]

I

mean, I understand what you are saying, but the scientific community, as a whole, has deemed dowsing as a pseudo-science, and only the random study attempts to find any new information. Why is this do you suppose?

Now Randi and Carl are the whole Scientific Community?

Art,

I posted a link to "The Divining Rod," a USGS publication written in 1917. Why didn't you read it?

I also posted a link to Ray Hyman's article. Why didn't you read it?

I also posted a link to Don Lancaster's article. Why didn't you read it?

Carl! Art doesn't "read," didn't you know that? The only thing he does well is ignore....

 

[aarthrj3811]

The Divining Rod," a USGS publication written in 1917
Ray Hyman's article.
Don Lancaster's article.
This poves some one can write...So what is the problem?

 

[ClonedSIM]

The Divining Rod," a USGS publication written in 1917
Ray Hyman's article.
Don Lancaster's article.
This poves some one can write...So what is the problem?

And........Art once again misses a very simple point.

Give him a hand, folks.....

 

[aarthrj3811]

Well Af1733...If there was any proof that Dowsing did not work it would be all over this web site. We have hundreds of posts begging Dowsers to take tests. Quite begging, when some one has a study that would be of interest to us you may find that we would be happy to help provide the stats that proves dowsing works. Please quite begging. If you would quite insulting us you would find people to be more helpful.....Art

 

[ClonedSIM]

Well Af1733...If there was any proof that Dowsing did not work it would be all over this web site. We have hundreds of posts begging Dowsers to take tests. Quite begging, when some one has a study that would be of interest to us you may find that we would be happy to help provide the stats that proves dowsing works. Please quite begging. If you would quite insulting us you would find people to be more helpful.....Art

Where have I begged for a test, Art? Please show me.
I asked you for an example of a dowsing test, scientifically accepted, that showed dowsing as a better-than-chance prospect. You don't know where this is, do you?

And as far as tests that proved dowsing worked less-than-chance, they are all over this website, you just don't like them and therefore don't acknowledge their existence.

No matter how nicely dowsers have been asked, they refuse to take a test that, in your own words, "will only prove that dowsing doesn't work for one person." I could ask you nicely till I'm blue in the face and you still wouldn't submit to a controlled testing protocol because you know you would not pass.

Take our friend Sandy. Carl has posted a perfectly fair test for him, working under his own guidelines, and we haven't heard a peep from him. Now, he may just not have logged on to see this, but when he does odds are that he'll refuse, citing some lame excuse, and we'll be no closer to an answer.

Until a dowser is secure enough in his "ability" has the acorns to step forward and submit to a controlled testing situation this will continue.

 

[dowser501]

While all you busy little bees are arguing about whether dowsing exists or is a figment of all operators imagination, the dowsing season commenced yesterday with a G3 solar flare 2 weeks early. Unfortunately there was not much visual moon to bounce the stuff off yet, as we missed out by 48 hours. The next moon period for dowsing if there are flares and if they are coming our way is xmas day and definitely boxing day. ( my birthday) Aparrently how they know the cycles are 11 years is that they start off with a bang and end up with a whimper like the last 2 years.
I apologise that I have interupted the most boring debate on Dowsing that I have encountered over the past 10 years on the one thread.. No-one could possibly have followed every posting. Carl have you worked out how to conduct our Pea in the thimble type dowsing challenge yet? Max

 

[ClonedSIM]

Dowsing season! That's great!!

"Have ya bagger yer limit yet, 501?"

 

[aarthrj3811]

Hey Dowsers501...I have been made aware of the event by a few dowsers. I find that my rods are responding a little stronger today. Thanks for the information. I to am finding this thread becoming boring. All these experts begging for our help to prove their theories......Art

 

[Sandsted]

"Take our friend Sandy. Carl has posted a perfectly fair test for him, working under his own guidelines, and we haven't heard a peep from him. Now, he may just not have logged on to see this, but when he does odds are that he'll refuse, citing some lame excuse, and we'll be no closer to an answer."

Where is this?

 

[ClonedSIM]

Look under the dowsing secting, under the title, A Test for Sandstead, by Carl NC.

 

[aarthrj3811]

"Take our friend Sandy. Carl has posted a perfectly fair test for him, working under his own guidelines, and we haven't heard a peep from him. Now, he may just not have logged on to see this, but when he does odds are that he'll refuse, citing some lame excuse, and we'll be no closer to an answer."

Did you ever consider that he may no want to take a test? Did you ever consider that he is content with his Dowsing? Some people are just happy that they can locate what they want. Why should he take a test that will not add to his knowledge of Dowsing.? The only person he has to prove anything to is himself. Just because you have doubts about Dowsing why should he have to prove anything to you? We need a section call Begging to prove my thories....Art

 

[ClonedSIM]

"Take our friend Sandy. Carl has posted a perfectly fair test for him, working under his own guidelines, and we haven't heard a peep from him. Now, he may just not have logged on to see this, but when he does odds are that he'll refuse, citing some lame excuse, and we'll be no closer to an answer."

Did you ever consider that he may no want to take a test? Did you ever consider that he is content with his Dowsing? Some people are just happy that they can locate what they want. Why should he take a test that will not add to his knowledge of Dowsing.? The only person he has to prove anything to is himself. Just because you have doubts about Dowsing why should he have to prove anything to you? We need a section call Begging to prove my thories....Art

He's talking with Carl now about having the coins sent to him, but I doubt any results will be posted here.

Did you read the post I referred to, Art, or just respond? We need a section called "Why Can Art Not Read Posts?"

Oh, and Art, from what I can see your theories are based mostly on the research of others as opposed to your own thoughts. There's a reason no one asks for your input.

 

[Sandsted]

The truth is is that I don't have to prove anything to anyone...especially if I'm not being payed for it.

Concerning the coin test I don't claim to be accurate or consistent with that...it's just I have done it before. Since you guys are stuck on these rotten challenges, since you basically worship them and wish to force them down upon anyone that practices "paranormal" arts, I figured since I'd humor you.

I don't have to leave my home or really pay for anything or even have to have a set time for the dowsing so...I figure there's no real loss.

I don't believe anything will come of the test, but if you want the results, be my guest. I don't care to converse directly about the testing here, but once I'm done I don't really care.

In fact I'll try and date a penny right now...just a sec...I'll see if I can find one laying face down...





Dang I didn't get a reaction and I found out why, the stupid penny was from 2001...I'll try again with another...just a moment


Okay...well that time I got a dime and narrowed it down from 1995-1990 (asking if it is between these dates) and it is a 1995 dime.

But I still don't believe I would do well at this test, but since I don't really have anything to loose, I figure I'd make you guys happy and actually test myself.

Of course I don't know what I'd set my accuracy at.

Anyway,

farewell

 

[Sandsted]

"Hello?"


Hei...

Anyway, I have dug up things, and hopefully on sunday I can post them. But my "artifacts" are types of petrified things...I don't use dowsing for treasure hunting and there wouldn't be much treasure to find. Except things like the ancor stone, my uncle (a dowser) has dug up...so no, you are wrong when you say dowsers don't retrieve their finds. Art, I believe, has posted coins that he has found. Do you ignore things like these?

I posted that Viking ship because it is here, and I dowsed it, this weekend (when I'll have a scanner and other computer that has my records on it) I'll be able to scan an article from the "Starbuck Times" or whatever that newspaper is called. But anyway, experienced dowser Leland Pederson, has had an archeological dig on his property. He flagged out different ships and wells and they did get some petrified wood and some other things.

I have a photo of a corn field where a Viking Ship has been dowsed. Then they planted corn over it and apparently the salt in the wood of the ship...or something in the ship has kept the corn form growing very good. You can see the outline of the ship in the corn. Corn above the ship is only about a foot tall, whereas the rest of the field is about 5 or 6 feet.

I believe it was Bob Burg who dowse a ship on his property (I don't remember what city he is in) but on the tar road where he dowsed the ship...a change in the humidity and tempeture caused a wonderful outline of the ship to appear on the tar...apparently because something the ship was "emitting" (oh no I said it) or something was coming from the ship that affected the surface above it. You can see the very distinctive curved outline of the ship...it's very nice.

Things under ground do affect things above it, whether that be a tar road, corn field, or...a dowser. Ships have been dug up here, petrified wood from them has been collected, ancor stones that were used by these ships have been found, the mooring stones that they were onced ancored to have been discovered.

There are many finds through dowsing, but I know of hundreds of ships around here if I really wanted to dig part of one up...but one must remember that they've been there from 600-900 years...the only things that would still be there are the ancor stones, some petrified wood, or the fossils of man (which are rare). I'm not going to dig up my drive way in search of any of these.

The only reason I posted that ship specifically is because it was on my land, I dowsed on it, it's not the findings of somebody else.

Do not continue to attack me about that ship in hopes that I will destroy my property (and the remains of the ship) to prove myself. As Art has said, I don't have to prove myself to anyone but myself.

 

[Gluk]

"Oh, and Art, from what I can see your theories are based mostly on the research of others as opposed to your own thoughts.  There's a reason no one asks for your input. "

Or maybe he knows that any opinions he gives of his own will be smashed to gravy because ''he doesn't have any evidence to support his conclusion.''

And good post sandy, not much to say if you wanted to post an angry responce, other than "prove it  :P"