Electrolysis reveals another OLD copper

[RelicMedic]

Been putting some of my unidentifyable coins from my loyalist site through electrolysis...what do ya know, a 1786 New Jersey Colonial copper! The only detail to positively identify it is the shield. Too bad it wasn't in better shape. Thanks for looking!

 

[Rick (Nova Scotia)]

Thanks Rick. I think I was too quick to dismiss the possibility of it being a NJ. Looking closer at the shield on the Condor Token, it seems to sit a little low on the coin compared to mine. Mine is dead Center and wider than the one on the token. I'm a little nervous about putting it back in the tank, but I think I might have to in order to get something off the other side.

Yes, but as I said in my forst reply there are many, many different conders.
Here are just a few.
https://www.google.ca/search?q=Cond...S0sQSbmYCoDQ&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAQ&biw=1054&bih=537

and an edge pic.

as far as centered, this is one I got this year.



"I'm a little nervous about putting it back in the tank" you don't have a lot to loose, I used some harsh treatment to get what ever was possible.

 

[RelicMedic]

I really appreciate everyone's help. It is a Conder Token. I can see a very faint outline of Brittannia, or something...I really don't know. Either way, that's what I'm going with...conder token. The lines that I saw in the shield are fine scratches. With all the United Empire Loyalists from New Jersey, New York and Pennsylvania that settled here, I'm hoping to actually get a rare coin or two this spring. Is that too much to ask? Lol

 

[Iron Patch]

I really appreciate everyone's help. It is a Condor Token. I can see a very faint outline of Brittannia. The lines that I saw in the shield are fine scratches. With all the Unites Empire Loyalists from New Jersey, New York and Pennsylvania that settled here, I'm hoping to actually get a rare coin or two this spring. Is that too much to ask? Lol

They do turn up at Loyalist sites but remember the war ended in 1783 so it was probably mostly George coppers in their pockets when they got here. The chances of you digging a good button are probably a lot better.

 

[RelicMedic]

That explains why I dug 5 Cartwheels, an 1806 penny and half pennies from there. I need to study up on the wartime history of the era, instead of just researching the specific land grantees. Again, thank you all for your help and comments. A big kudos to you. We have a great bunch of talented and knowledgeable people here. Great place to hang out! Glad I was able to come back!

 

[Dirt.Hound]

nice recovery, Ace some good sites there on the East coast!

 

[doninbrewster]

I agree with Don in SJ. As soon as I saw the picture the first thing that came to mind was NJ reverse S. Reverses f and g also came to mind, but after looking at some plates of the coins I came back to reverse S. It is mated with a number of obverse dies and they are all scarce. What keeps me from being certain is the location where it was found. That does create some possibilities that it could be a Condor token. Would love to see more pictures of both sides and maybe a high res scan. Oops! I missed your update about seeing part of Brittannia. Would still live to see photos.

 

[Iron Patch]

That explains why I dug 5 Cartwheels, an 1806 penny and half pennies from there. I need to study up on the wartime history of the era, instead of just researching the specific land grantees. Again, thank you all for your help and comments. A big kudos to you. We have a great bunch of talented and knowledgeable people here. Great place to hang out! Glad I was able to come back!

No, keep doing what you're doing, I'd be all over Loyalist land grants and have been for what is available here. There's probably no better way to find primo sites.


To give you an idea of numbers over the years I have hunted many sites with Loyalist activity and to date my coppers are 3 CTs, 1 Vermont, and a Rosa American Twopence.... so certainly not very many considering I've probably found over 2,000 large coppers if you count everything including large cents. My Rev War Loyalist military buttons would out number the coins 10-1 and that is why I said you're likely to turn up some good buttons before you do the coins. But like I said keep doing what you're doing because there is no better type of sites to hunt than a good Loyalist one, and so many of my best finds from over the years have come from these places.

 

[Iron Patch]

That explains why I dug 5 Cartwheels, an 1806 penny and half pennies from there. I need to study up on the wartime history of the era, instead of just researching the specific land grantees. Again, thank you all for your help and comments. A big kudos to you. We have a great bunch of talented and knowledgeable people here. Great place to hang out! Glad I was able to come back!

By the way.... those coin finds are from settlers coming from Britain, not Loyalists from America, but the finds can definitely cross over because any house built in the 1780s likely lasted into the 1800s, and maybe well into the 1800s, and they used what was here. I have found Canadian large cents and Loyalist military in the same patch of iron so you never know, and that's the kind of thing that keeps it so interesting.

 

[RelicMedic]

I'll definitely continue to pound those sites! The only reason I thought maybe it was a NJ, is the shield, and that the Loyalist that came here and settled at that particular site, came here from New Jersey. There were a group who were led by a man (J Knight) who called the group to prefer at a meeting house in NY. They came here on a ship (Camel) and settled in my area. There may be no correlation there at all, between where they came from, and what I've found. The only American copper I found from that time, was a 1787 Mass colonial.

 

[Iron Patch]

I'll definitely continue to pound those sites! The only reason I thought maybe it was a NJ, is the shield, and that the Loyalist that came here and settled at that particular site, came here from New Jersey. There were a group who were led by a man (J Knight) who called the group to prefer at a meeting house in NY. They came here on a ship (Camel) and settled in my area. There may be no correlation there at all, between where they came from, and what I've found. The only American copper I found from that time, was a 1787 Mass colonial.

It is possible. We have a large field known as the NJ site, same idea as you, Loyalist settlers from NJ. To date 2 NJ coppers have been found.