Equinox 800

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Well I've Ben thinking about getting a metal detector for a while I keep hearing a lot about the equinoxe 800 but I am also hearing that there's a pretty big learning curve is that true
 
If you have never detected, you have a big learning curve ahead period. The 800 seems hard to get right now due to limited product on a brand new model.

If you can get one and you decide that the hobby is not for you, you should be able to get most if not all of your money back, assuming this is something you are doing right now.

I say GO FOR IT. Expect to dig a LOT of trash but the treasure will come.
 
I would consider the 600 instead for a first timer. Better overall value, fewer settings to learn, more readily available.
 
I would consider the 600 instead for a first timer. Better overall value, fewer settings to learn, more readily available.

What fewer settings,the settings are almost the same, a couple less options is all, 2 less freqs. No user profile and you can customize the tones on conductive targets.. Equinox is fairly easy to learn, no matter what model, as a newbie you shiuld hunt in factory default till you get some experience.
 
What fewer settings,the settings are almost the same, a couple less options is all, 2 less freqs. No user profile and you can customize the tones on conductive targets.. Equinox is fairly easy to learn, no matter what model, as a newbie you shiuld hunt in factory default till you get some experience.

TH - "fewer settings" was just a less complicated, shorthand way of saying everything you just said to make a point to a forum member who may not be familiar with all the intimate details of the machine. I think you well know I can go into excruciating detail on the actual differences between the two machines as evidenced by:

http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/e...mportant-thing-missing-600-a.html#post5733256

So, now that you have opened Pandora's box, let's talk details (Easier now that I am at home and not a phone keyboard lol):

Frankly, for someone pondering a new detector, I normally don't make detector recommendations unless I have some idea what it is they want to do with the detector, such as beach hunt, coin shoot, relic hunt, water hunt, hunt for jewelry, prospect for gold etc. Get some understanding of where they want to hunt or the types of sites they might be going to. The beauty of both the 600 and 800 are that they can do all of these things well in a single detector so knowing that information is not needed to make the recommendation.

600 is a great value for a detector that can do just about everything the 800 can do at about $250US less cost.

What you don't get is a set of wireless BT headphones and wireless remote module (that can be used to plug wired headphones into). You can get a set of third party wireless BT headphones, but make sure they are low latency types APTX LL so that your audio signal is synced to your swing. Several threads in this forum discuss APTX LL compatible headphones that can be obtained for between $30 and $70. The wireless module is unnecessary if you get wireless BT APTX LL headphones that suit your needs. The 600 comes with a basic set of wired headphones.

As TH mentioned you are not able to adjust tone breakpoints for non-ferrous targets. Some folks like to make tones for coins pop out with more volume or a higher audio frequency. You can do that on the 800 but not on the 600. I have never fiddled with the tone breakpoints, primarily because I hunt in 50 tone audio which cannot be adjusted much on either machine.

You have fewer increments to adjust the machine responsiveness and false high tones from iron (called iron bias filtering) for the 600 vs. 800. This does not seem to hold back 600 users.

You cannot individually select on the 600 the two highest frequencies that are available on the 800 (20 and 40 khz). You can only select 5, 10, and 15 khz. I have never had to do this because I leave the machine in MultiFrequency mode (MultiIQ) default mode. MulitIQ is identical for both machines on the equivalent modes and uses various combinations of all five of the base frequencies previously mentioned (5, 10, 15, 20, and 40). I have never seen the need to go to single frequency at all. In some rare cases it may be advantageous to do so but you will likely not miss this at all as a new user.

The 600 does not have gold mode, which is a specialized mode that uses a different type of audio system called VCO when hunting for tiny gold nuggets in highly mineralized conditions (i.e., the types of soil conditions where gold is normally found). Since the non-gold modes use MultiIQ, it is possible to find gold even when you are not using gold mode. In fact, the Park 2 and Field 2 modes are set up to find small mid-conductive targets like gold jewelry.

All in all, the 800 IS really just as easy to learn as the 600 as the menu system is identical, there are just less settings to tweak, and frankly, most new users will not miss them.

If you become serious in the hobby, you may want to get a backup machine in case you have to send your primary machine in for repairs and do not want to miss a chance for a hunt while your machine is out of commission. So down the road you can upgrade to the 800 if you subsequently find the additional features attractive or perhaps there will be an even newer version of the Equinox at that point.

It is a fact that you can get your hands on a 600 immediately vs. an 800.

For myself, I have an 800 because I like to do just about all the detecting adventures I listed above and I do it under some extreme soil conditions that tend to tie up most detectors in knots. The 800 can handle these extreme conditions pretty well. So can the 600, although the 800 has a few more notches of adjustment in machine speed that can come in handy, again in some rare extreme circumstances.

I plan on getting a 600 as a backup to my 800 and that I plan to use as a dedicated salt water surf/beach machine, because salt water can take a toll on a machine and I do not want to subject the 800 to the long term abuse of salt water hunting (even though they both can do it). So, as you can see, the 600 and 800 can compliment each other well as a cost effective primary/backup tandem of machines for the serious detectorist.

As a beginning detectorist, either machine will do what you need it do with practically zero tweaking out of the box and both will grow with you as you become more proficient and the learning curve is basically the same. There may be some fringe extra capabilities on the 800 you may find yourself wanting, so you need to assess that now as you make you buy decision (ask some additional questions here if you are not sure). But you really can't go wrong with either.

HTH
 
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Since you are new and just learning, getting the minelab will be easier (in my mind) than for you to start with another brand and then move to the minelab. If all you learn is minelabenese, all the better it will be.
 
Out of the box I think it is the easist detector to learn on the market. Stick with the standard modes and only adjust sensitivity and discrimination and you will find 95% of what the big boys do... aka experts
 
The 600 is a bargain unless you plan to nugget hunt. Also, since the 600’s are not in short supply right now, you likely would get a dealer with them in stock to consider some reduction from the list price - not much chance of that with an 800 right now.

If you are a military veteran, be sure and find a dealer who is willing to sell minus the 15%ML discount.
 
TH - "fewer settings" was just a less complicated, shorthand way of saying everything you just said to make a point to a forum member who may not be familiar with all the intimate details of the machine. I think you well know I can go into excruciating detail on the actual differences between the two machines as evidenced by:

http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/e...mportant-thing-missing-600-a.html#post5733256

So, now that you have opened Pandora's box, let's talk details (Easier now that I am at home and not a phone keyboard lol):

Frankly, for someone pondering a new detector, I normally don't make detector recommendations unless I have some idea what it is they want to do with the detector, such as beach hunt, coin shoot, relic hunt, water hunt, hunt for jewelry, prospect for gold etc. Get some understanding of where they want to hunt or the types of sites they might be going to. The beauty of both the 600 and 800 are that they can do all of these things well in a single detector so knowing that information is not needed to make the recommendation.

600 is a great value for a detector that can do just about everything the 800 can do at about $250US less cost.

What you don't get is a set of wireless BT headphones and wireless remote module (that can be used to plug wired headphones into). You can get a set of third party wireless BT headphones, but make sure they are low latency types APTX LL so that your audio signal is synced to your swing. Several threads in this forum discuss APTX LL compatible headphones that can be obtained for between $30 and $70. The wireless module is unnecessary if you get wireless BT APTX LL headphones that suit your needs. The 600 comes with a basic set of wired headphones.

As TH mentioned you are not able to adjust tone breakpoints for non-ferrous targets. Some folks like to make tones for coins pop out with more volume or a higher audio frequency. You can do that on the 800 but not on the 600. I have never fiddled with the tone breakpoints, primarily because I hunt in 50 tone audio which cannot be adjusted much on either machine.

You have fewer increments to adjust the machine responsiveness and false high tones from iron (called iron bias filtering) for the 600 vs. 800. This does not seem to hold back 600 users.

You cannot individually select on the 600 the two highest frequencies that are available on the 800 (20 and 40 khz). You can only select 5, 10, and 15 khz. I have never had to do this because I leave the machine in MultiFrequency mode (MultiIQ) default mode. MulitIQ is identical for both machines on the equivalent modes and uses various combinations of all five of the base frequencies previously mentioned (5, 10, 15, 20, and 40). I have never seen the need to go to single frequency at all. In some rare cases it may be advantageous to do so but you will likely not miss this at all as a new user.

The 600 does not have gold mode, which is a specialized mode that uses a different type of audio system called VCO when hunting for tiny gold nuggets in highly mineralized conditions (i.e., the types of soil conditions where gold is normally found). Since the non-gold modes use MultiIQ, it is possible to find gold even when you are not using gold mode. In fact, the Park 2 and Field 2 modes are set up to find small mid-conductive targets like gold jewelry.

All in all, the 800 IS really just as easy to learn as the 600 as the menu system is identical, there are just less settings to tweak, and frankly, most new users will not miss them.

If you become serious in the hobby, you may want to get a backup machine in case you have to send your primary machine in for repairs and do not want to miss a chance for a hunt while your machine is out of commission. So down the road you can upgrade to the 800 if you subsequently find the additional features attractive or perhaps there will be an even newer version of the Equinox at that point.

It is a fact that you can get your hands on a 600 immediately vs. an 800.

For myself, I have an 800 because I like to do just about all the detecting adventures I listed above and I do it under some extreme soil conditions that tend to tie up most detectors in knots. The 800 can handle these extreme conditions pretty well. So can the 600, although the 800 has a few more notches of adjustment in machine speed that can come in handy, again in some rare extreme circumstances.

I plan on getting a 600 as a backup to my 800 and that I plan to use as a dedicated salt water surf/beach machine, because salt water can take a toll on a machine and I do not want to subject the 800 to the long term abuse of salt water hunting (even though they both can do it). So, as you can see, the 600 and 800 can compliment each other well as a cost effective primary/backup tandem of machines for the serious detectorist.

As a beginning detectorist, either machine will do what you need it do with practically zero tweaking out of the box and both will grow with you as you become more proficient and the learning curve is basically the same. There may be some fringe extra capabilities on the 800 you may find yourself wanting, so you need to assess that now as you make you buy decision (ask some additional questions here if you are not sure). But you really can't go wrong with either.

HTH

Totally relate to trying to make long posts on a smart device. LOL, hope you know I wasn't challenging your reply. I found the NOX to be really simple to learn, many times it is harder for someone who is use to other detector brands to learn a minelab than someone totally new as they keep trying to relate ML features to what they knew from detector X.

I prefer hunting in 5 tone and I have set up my personal user profile with tone breakpoints for non-ferrous targets using Multi-IQ.
 
I'm a newbie and bought the 600. Never detected before...very easy to learn (watch some youtube videos) I have been knocking it out of the park, no pun intended. 3 weeks in and have found:

1920 men's gold wedding band
1918 merc dime
1909 V nickel
1944 war nickel
1891 indian head penny
1865 1/4 mexican real

and the list goes on...plus a ton on clad!
buy it and enjoy it!
 
Its a very easy machine to learn. As easy as they come. Enter where you are detecting (ie Park 1) and go. You might need to change the volume or sensitivity. Otherwise not much more to it than that until you start learning it more and customizing it a bit. Its much less complicated then a digital watch, digital camera, etc.

As far as the 600 vs the 800. Ask yourself the following. If you answer yes to any then get the 800. Otherwise the 600 is $250 less:

Do I need gold mode (as in do you detect for gold nuggets)?
Do I need the advanced settings (go read what they are to determine that. Some people must have them for their type of hunting whereas me as a beach hunter will never use them)?
Do I want the WM for headphones (keep in mind both machines work with bluetooth wireless headphones)?

Here is the link from minelab which explains the difference from the 800 vs 600: https://www.minelab.com/go-minelabbing/treasure-talk/equinox-600-vs-equinox-800
 
Does the 600 and 800 have a gold mode I would be mostly searching in Vermont and New Hampshire and beaches and woods
 
Peter1972, if you intend to hunt in the mountains like at Swift River, you will need the 800 AND a smaller coil. I have been out twice this week with guys with the Equinoxes and the soil was very mild, both were incapable of finding small mid range targets, mainly brass and lead. I got about 60 mid range relics, so the big coils just wouldn't see the little items. Both instances we were detecting within 50' of each other, sometimes crossing each other's paths. I see the problem in the large coil size. I was using a much smaller coil.
 
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Peter,
The Goldbug is sort of a specialty machine for tiny gold nuggets. Its not made for coins or relics from what I understand. While there is some gold in your area a pan or sluice would be better. In Mass I would be looking for old coins and relics. I tend to agree with some that the Minelab Equinox 600 is good for the price especially if you are new and want something easy right out of the box to find coins and jewelry. If you can get the military discount you are looking at $550 (approx) and I spent that on my Garrett AT pro (+8x11 and smaller 9x5 coil ) that is not as deep though slightly easier to use. While I only have about 4 hrs on the equinox and still haven't figured out how to do anything but turn it on I filled up my pouch with $10 in clad and wheat pennies etc. just testing it out. There are cheaper machines out there like the Garrett ace 200-300 series but waterproof (AT pro , Equinox) is a nice feature and Minelabs hold up pretty well. New machines Equinox and AT pro are tricky because you don't know what problems they will have until lots of people swing them for lots of hours and write about the balance, cam locks defective parts etc. and the company makes adjustments to the manufacturing. Most warranties on new machines are decent and I don't sweat that kind of stuff.
Smokey is not a fan of Minelabs and she crushes and humbles most of us swinging the Deus with the HF coil. I would not consider a $1200 + setup since I've had my vehicle and equipment stolen and lost a $600 dollar machine and all accessories (digger pinpointer etc) . While I was hurt I can replace a $600 dollar unit but probably would be hard pressed to replace a $1200+ one. I bought the Equinox because I already speak Minelabese and all my machines have produced in the past but I really can't say until I figure out how to use it properly. My two cents.
I read all reviews and criticism before I buy a machine and agonize every step. The equinox is the only new machine I have ever bought. The one thing that is clear is that if you have good sites and hunt 'slow and low' you can find great stuff with an obsolete detector. Conversely if you buy a state of the art machine and go to the park everyone has been hitting since the 60s you'll be hard pressed to find anything of interest unless you have lots of luck, skill or patience.
 
Could factory reset, go to park 1, noise cancel and go find treaure. That simple...

Then, just start tweaking things slowly. I'd spring for the 800 personally or the 600 if you're in a hurry.
 
Peter, I think it would be a true statement to say "pretty big learning curve" in comparison to entry level machines. BUT that's assuming you're referring to maximizing the machines ability in all it's settings. The Nox is basically multiple detectors wrapped in one unit. If you simply pick 1 factory setting and stick to it, the learning curve is similar to entry level machines. The only thing I'd say is harder to figure out is depth and sometimes target size. My Ace 250 was spot on depth wise most of the time. The depth chart on the Nox is just a piece of the puzzle in determining depth. The sound/target size, especially in pinpoint mode, is usually a better indicator of depth.
 
Tommy buckets is mostly correct. Going low and slow will get you goodies. I do like some of the minelab but do not like the equinox due to the imbalance which equates to bad design. My arm hurt to swing it that is my issue. May not be a problem for others. These days I don’t waste time In hunted out parks to find a silver dime I can get $1.10 for. I like relic hunting. As I’ve said before try to see any new machine in person before you buy it. Just common sense.
 

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