Excal Threshold Changes

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Excal Threshold "Pitch" Changes:

There’s a lot more going on with the Excal then many hunters realize, the threshold pitch changes being one area that I think goes largely ignored by both Disc and PP hunters. Most of us are listening for threshold breaks, rises, wavering, etc., but few of us really focus on those unexplained pitch changes that often seem to occur at random with no other noticeable indication of a possible target. However, something caused that change in pitch and sometimes these pitch changes are worth investigating.

The threshold is the most sensitive searching process within the entire machine, which is why so many hunters prefer to hunt in PP mode. But disc hunters need to pay attention to this threshold as well because these unexplained changes in threshold pitch can often provide clue of targets that are the very edge of the machine’s process capabilities. Extremely deep targets can cause these changes, as can small/fine chains, etc. Sure, mineral deposits can also cause them as well. So how can you tell the difference?

I hunt in disc mode a lot and I can tell you first hand that these threshold changes can represent good targets from time to time. The first thing I do whenever I encounter one of these changes is determine if the change went higher or lower. Most often these changes will be lower, to the point of sounding very low and grainy. However, other times the threshold will become a bit lower but it will remain smooth and pleasant sounding, more of a mid-tone, if you will. When this happens you really need to investigate the source of this change.

Whenever I encounter one of these desired threshold changes the first thing I do is switch to PP mode and I’ll run my scoop past the coil to reset the threshold to a higher pitch. Once this is done I’ll sweep the coil over the suspected area until I get the threshold change again and I’ll keep repeating this process until I’ve isolated the “X” on the surface. If I’m really lucky I may even get a threshold break but not always. In either case I’ll start removing some sand until I can start getting a solid response, something that is much easier to do with the small coil since it can be easily stuck in the hole for a much closer look. A lot of times the source will just up and disappear, a sure sign that it was just a tiny piece of surface clutter or a pocket of mineralization, but a lot of times you’ll start to encounter a consistent response or an obvious tone that will result in the recovering of a target. Weather you’re in Disc mode or PP mode don’t ignore those threshold pitch changes because they just might lead you to something shiny and pleasant.
 

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Thanks great Info. I have both the 8 and 10 inch Excal. My most common issue I have is on dis. mode, I get a broken tone and remove some sand, the tone gets louder and still broken up not a solid coin or ring tone. If I dig untill I uncover it 99% of the time It will be trash. Is this common with your detecting? I live in so cal. Wet sand and water Is where I have my best luck. Thanks Joe.
 

Thanks great Info. I have both the 8 and 10 inch Excal. My most common issue I have is on dis. mode, I get a broken tone and remove some sand, the tone gets louder and still broken up not a solid coin or ring tone. If I dig untill I uncover it 99% of the time It will be trash. Is this common with your detecting? I live in so cal. Wet sand and water Is where I have my best luck. Thanks Joe.

Broken tones are usually caused by mixtures of metals or even the halo effect around iron objects, nails/screws come to mind right away as being objects that can cause this, bottle caps are another quick reference. You'll also get this a lot with pieces of costume jewelry because of the mixture of metals. Think of it as a masking effect, a desirable metal or shape being masked by something less desirable. I say this because this is exactly the same type situation you can encounter when a gold ring is being masked by a less desirable/different metal. Basically, if it chirps, burps, stutters, etc., then there is something there causing the confusion. As you say, most of the time it's junk, but sometimes it's something better. Not too long ago I dug one of these uncertain responses and found a small gold ring and a bent rusty nail in the bottom of my scoop. When in doubt dig! :thumbsup:
 

Thanks Bigscoop, you just gave our biggest secrets away.....Just kidding buddy, great info for the serious hunter...this method works great when trying to locate a chain...
 

Thanks Bigscoop, you just gave our biggest secrets away.....Just kidding buddy, great info for the serious hunter...this method works great when trying to locate a chain...

I was thinking/have been thinking the same thing! I struggle with "the fine line" of too much info all the time, bigscoop and I have discussed this very topic. lots of good info here for sure!!!!
chuck.
 

"Masking"....it's been said many times that one of the best features of the Excal is its ability to still tone on gold that's being masked by iron, but this shouldn't be taken to mean the same classic tone you get with an unmasked piece of gold. You can try bumping up the disc a bit so the iron will be ignored but this is risky business, too much disc and it might ignore the whole situation.

"Chains".....another great example. :icon_thumleft:

And gotta keep the coil moving. I see a lot of hunters "poking" and/or "reaching" with the coil, not the same thing at all. A nice smooth, flat, consistent swing will get you the best performance/results.
 

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"Masking"....it's been said many times that one of the best features of the Excal is its ability to still tone on gold that's being masked by iron, but this shouldn't be taken to mean the same classic tone you get with an unmasked piece of gold. You can try bumping up the disc a bit so the iron will be ignored but this is risky business, too much disc and it might ignore the whole situation.

"Chains".....another great example. :icon_thumleft:

And gotta keep the coil moving. I see a lot of hunters "poking" and/or "reaching" with the coil, not the same thing at all. A nice smooth, flat, consistent swing will get you the best performance/results.

I use no desc, I have found gold buried with pieces of iron, have recovered both gold and piece of iron in same scoop. I got null from one direction and usually a good but broken signal from a 90 degree change in sweeping direction.

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I guess that is why I dig so many bottle caps I get a good tone on one side and a null on the other but I dig them all.Yes it's great to be able get all of your years of experience and to see you pass it on.
 

Thanks Bigscoop! Appreciate all the thought you put into your posts. One thing I notice with the Sov is that if I run it a little too hot, when it false it gets higher and higher in pitch. Fakes me out but I hope it's just the sensitivity. Is that the same with the Excal? Watching Chicago Ron as I write this. Gotta admire their enthusiasm. Sure to sell more detectors! I'm just jealous???
 

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Thanks Bigscoop! Appreciate all the thought you put into your posts. One thing I notice with the Sov is that if I run it a little too hot, when it false it gets higher and higher in pitch. Fakes me out but I hope it's just the sensitivity. Is that the same with the Excal? Watching Chicago Ron as I write this. Gotta admire their enthusiasm. Sure to sell more detectors! I'm just jealous???

I've never really had that issue. Usually when I get a false it's at the end of a "lazy" swing, or say, when the edge of my coil collides with a small drift of sand, etc., but with these my threshold usually settles right back in to the same smooth hum/pitch. :dontknow: There does come a point when hunting too hot can be counter productive though. "Stability" is what I always try to maintain, otherwise you can create so many unnecessary responses it starts to become difficult to recognize the ones that really count. On my machine, and each machine can be a little different, I can run a lot hotter in disc then I can in PP. If I try to run too hot in PP I get a lot of threshold wavering and a lot of unnecessary pitch changes. Actually produces a type of masking effect within the threshold. In each mode I run as hot as I can without disrupting my two S's,...."Smooth and Stable".
 

Bigscoop, really good information and food for thought, can't wait to get back out there.

Cliff
 

Thanks for the info Bigscoop! Heading to my beach place for the summer soon and can't wait to get in the water and investigate those threshold changes. Last year I generally ignored them.

Pete
 

Great info for all who use the Excal, Bigscoop. Had that exact thing happen to me a day ago at Va. Beach in the rough surf about knee deep. Took about two inches of sand off the top and got a good signal. One good scoop of sand later and on the end of my water scoop I see what appears to be a thin gold chain hanging off the end of my water scoop, only to slide off and be lost in the surf never to be located again. Very frustrating in the rough surf. But the point is well taken and good for all Excal users to remember...Stuart
 

Nice info Big Scoop, while many of us don't want to share where we are hunting and finding the gold, it is nice to see you sharing that kind of info with those not aware as it is the purpose of TN...

We are not here has as a place to just post finds.....:thumbup:

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Tried to put some of your theories to the test today even had a threshold change that turned out to be a belly ring when my xcal started going crazy on me. The threshold kept getting louder and louder I would turn it down and it would start getting louder turned it down till it was almost off then it quit altogether. So I guess it's back to minelab.
 

Bigscoop, thanks for the info. I run my sens. at 6 or7. When I bump it to 8,9 or 10 I don't notice any changes. Im I missing some thing? Thanks Joe
 

Tried to put some of your theories to the test today even had a threshold change that turned out to be a belly ring when my xcal started going crazy on me. The threshold kept getting louder and louder I would turn it down and it would start getting louder turned it down till it was almost off then it quit altogether. So I guess it's back to minelab.

Mine does this same thing when the battery is failing....starts screaming here and there, then a constant scream, then a slow fade into nothingness! :laughing7: Put it on the charger for about 12hrs and it should be fine. :thumbsup:
 

Tried to put some of your theories to the test today even had a threshold change that turned out to be a belly ring when my xcal started going crazy on me. The threshold kept getting louder and louder I would turn it down and it would start getting louder turned it down till it was almost off then it quit altogether. So I guess it's back to minelab.

That is what the excal does when the battery is close to failling, try recharging it first.... Don't send it to Minelab with out PMing me first......
 

Bigscoop, thanks for the info. I run my sens. at 6 or7. When I bump it to 8,9 or 10 I don't notice any changes. Im I missing some thing? Thanks Joe

As long as the machine/threshold runs smooth & stable without a lot of falsing or wavering, etc., you should be good to go. But you want that threshold to be "smooth" without any wavering or ramping up and down. If you use too much sensitivity and create these conditions it can/will mask these same type of faint responses. You'll never notice these faint responses because you'll think it's just the typical wavering of the threshold that your ears have grown use to hearing.

On my beaches, I usually run my machine about 3/4 on the 8" coil in the water, maybe a bit more over the wet sand but usually I just leave it there (older machine, no numbers). Too much sensitivity can cause stability issues "in" the saltwater, especially on the larger coils where there is surf and currents or uneven bottoms. Too much sensitivity can also create too large of a halo effect around the coil, which while helpful in reaching out for those surface/shallow targets that might be just outside of the sweep area, this halo effect can also serve to mask really deep faints or very fine targets because it can actually cause the machine to null on iron targets or to respond on larger targets that are outside of the actual sweep area, thus possible good targets under the coil might be masked out. On clean beaches this is little concern but on beaches where there are lots of particles and iron objects it can create issues. About the same type situation as trying to use a large coil in a trashy area.
 

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Scoop , Thanks !, My body is warn out and I kinda go for the fresh drops, but I feel I could do better, im gonna put some of your advice to use, a lot of digging thow ends my day sooner, I guess I should have drank milk instead of soda growing up, when I hear the low tone changes im like uGGG I know that's deep or is it false, but its funny how sometimes when you find that golden ticket shortly after your heading to the car convincing yourself the day was about to end anyway
 

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