First real time out in the field and the XP shows why its one of the best!

austin_luker · Jan 7, 2017

I am in upstate NY, the weather and soil have not been good for testing the Dues vs AT Pro. I have been dying to get out and do a head to head comparison between the 2 as far as depth with the AT running the NEL Storm. If the Dues can match it there will be a AT Pro with 2 NEL coils for sale

I have the 11 inch coil for the Dues and plan on getting the 11x13 at some point.

vferrari · Jan 7, 2017

I would hold off on the 11×13 coil. Not sure the depth performance gain (if any) is worth the huge cost for these Deus coils. If you are merely looking to have a backup to the 11", I would actually recommend the 9" (which I personally prefer vs. the 11") or the forthcoming elliptical high freqency coil.

Just my $0.02.

austin_luker · Jan 9, 2017

Now that I have a hard time believing! Being that the size of the coil should make a difference in depth and separation. I understand the 9" would be better in super heavy iron just as the smaller NEL sharpshooter is better in heavy iron on the AT Pro. I always thought it was because of the smaller coils having a smaller "foot print" that can fit between the iron with less masking. The Deues has an advantage due to its processing of the signals "faster and better" then most detectors but in my mind a larger coil should get me greater deapth

Please teach me otherwise and back it with facts!

vferrari · Jan 10, 2017

austin_luker said:
Now that I have a hard time believing! Being that the size of the coil should make a difference in depth and separation. I understand the 9" would be better in super heavy iron just as the smaller NEL sharpshooter is better in heavy iron on the AT Pro. I always thought it was because of the smaller coils having a smaller "foot print" that can fit between the iron with less masking. The Deues has an advantage due to its processing of the signals "faster and better" then most detectors but in my mind a larger coil should get me greater deapth Please teach me otherwise and back it with facts!

My point was that putting the smarts in the coil is a double edged sword for Deus because you can't by inexpensive accessory coils like you can on traditional detectors. You will likely get more depth with the 11x13 vs. the 9" (and you will most certainly get more ground coverage which in my opinion would be the greater advantage) but not much more than the 11" coil you already have and you are going to pay a pretty penny for it, almost like buying a second detector. So unless you really need a second coil as a backup, I would hold off. If you need/want a second coil backup, I would suggest getting the 9" coil because of the advantage of the smaller coil or even a second 11" before I would go to the heavy 11x13". I don't know many with that coil, and you will likely have to go with a third party shaft (Anderson sells some carbon fiber aftermarket shafts/handles for the Deus) if you do get it because it tends to over flex the stock deus shaft/handle when swinging it. I own the 9 and 11" coils and use the 9" coil almost exclusively with the peace of mind of having the 11" as a backup if the battery goes down in the 9" or if I do need that extra ground coverage in a field. Really not a lot of depth difference between the two, otherwise.

Calabash Digger · Jan 10, 2017

for me there is something about that nine inch coil and its like no other on the market I videos on my channel of me hitting 14 inch silver quarter and a 15 inch half in my garden diggable repeatable signals. I have never seen a small coil do that will the nel storm on the at pro do that in my soil no. I also found in my yard that the nine hits somr deeper targets better than the 11 I believe that to be because of emi ie powerlines around my house. I havent really found a depth advantage in the field either but I do like the coverage of the 11. I need to do some head to head test between the 2 coils. THe 13 inch is heavy compared to the 9 and 11.

austin_luker · Jan 13, 2017

One thing I have noticed about the Dues is it's a very chatty machine and doesn't like any type of EMI! Be it from power lines or wifi to dog fences. It hates EMI
anyone have any advice on reducing the chatty Dues near power lines. I have a home built in 1735 and the power lines and under ground electric lines are driving me nuts

Calabash Digger · Jan 13, 2017

change frequency and if you must lower sensitivity.

austin_luker · Jan 13, 2017

Let me clarify

I have a permission for a 1735 home site in NY. All the wars America has ever fought somehow or another went through this area so I am praying I pull some great relics and history! But when I did a quick test of the ground I started with the "sifter" program which runs 18K so I would have thought it would be the best Freq to use. But boy that B*itch was talking back mostly when the coil was stopped when you start moving she shuts up a little. I tried all the factory settings they all chatted just as much, my 0 disc deep full metel program

was loud! I got freaked being new to the Dues and stopped at a park just to get away from all EMI, low and behold she was still chatting not as much but a constant coversation none the less. Now I'm really freaked thinking great I just bought this crap detector!! On the way home I stop at a old pull off in the woods no power lines or EMI for 200 yards or more, pull out the dues put on the loudest EMI hunting program I have. Well who would have thought "I could hear french crickets" not a peep! Pulled a old rifle cartrage that rang in at 82-83 and was deep about 8-9 inches. So I must conclude that the Dues is very good at hunting down any type of EMI

if it's around you'll hear it.

vferrari · Jan 13, 2017

Like Calabash said, if power lines are a problem, first try changing the operating frequency. Lowest frequency (4khz) will give you the max depth. After you find the quietest frequency, then adjust sensitivity down as necessary, hopefully not less than low to mid 80's. Another thing you can try is upping Silencer. If it is set at -1, go to 0, you will lose little if any depth. If you have to, you can go to 1 or 2, but depth will start to fall off. High relative humidity in the air tends to make power lines crackle more and give off more EMI, so the power line EMI at a given site may vary with weather condtions and time of day, also. So the site may be chatty one day and no so much the next. Other than being annoying, I have found that EMI will not actually mask good target signals. But I have been pretty successful at knocking down chattiness with the above approach. Hope this helps.

Calabash Digger · Jan 13, 2017

hes correct about the humidity too it changes. 18 kh seems to be the worse for me around here. the nine inch coil handles emi better too. I have power lines all around my house and I can adjust it to make it work actually my test garden is in a HIGH emi zone and I can get the machine to act pretty good .