Flint Ridge Dovetail / Red on Glacier Blue

[OntarioArch]

I have now seen two points very similar to this one that have been identified by their extremely knowledgeable owners as made from "Flint Ridge" : red and glacier blue. And unless someone has a better type, I'm saying this is a small Dovetail. Base looks ground - or at least thinned - to me.

Slightly asymmetrical and lacking fine flaking artistry; 1 7/8 x 1 1/8 , dinged up a bit; with an excess, perhaps, of patina and mineral deposit; this is still one of my favorite finds from an old timer's collection.

Is thinning of the base via flaking the same a 'ground base'? Are both interpreted, in general, as characteristic of Archaic points? Thanks!

 

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[Tdog]

Is thinning of the base via flaking the same a 'ground base'?

Nice point. To answer your first question, NO. Basal thinning by grinding (to create a ground base) is employing the use of an abrader to grind the sharp basal edges smooth from flaking to facilitate a secure, uncompromising haft. My understanding is this was done to prevent sharp edges from cutting into the hafting material (sinew, plant fiber, etc...).

 

[newnan man]

Nice point, great example of FR. I don't feel it's a Dovetail however, too small and notches to me are more of a side notch type point.

 

[OntarioArch]

Nice point, great example of FR. I don't feel it's a Dovetail however, too small and notches to me are more of a side notch type point.

Yeah....not real confident of “dovetail”. Any suggestions, Newnan?

 

[smokeythecat]

Brewerton? I used to know point types, and yes it is Flint Ridge.

 

[uniface]

Thebes, IMHO.

 

[Tdog]

Thebes, IMHO.

It looks like a Thebes to me too Mr. Bill.

 

[Buckleberry]

Hopewell

 

[antmike915]

I was thinking Thebes but if was found in my areas it resembles a Bolen Plain.

 

[H.P.]

Nice point...probably about 3” long originally, how much finer flaking do you wanna see!,

 

[newnan man]

It doesn't appear to me to be a Thebes either. Shape and notches all wrong. Brewerton is a good call but they can be pretty crude. Some type of Woodland or Archaic side notch point. Really doesn't matter, that FR makes it special.

 

[smallfoot]

That's a beauty regardless of type!

 

[OntarioArch]

Nice point...probably about 3” long originally, how much finer flaking do you wanna see!,

....this much finer would be Ok with me!

 

[Tdog]

It doesn't appear to me to be a Thebes either. Shape and notches all wrong.

Not trying to sway anyone's opinion but one of the notches is damaged and missing material.

 

[newnan man]

Not trying to sway anyone's opinion but one of the notches is damaged and missing material.

Agree with you but it's not a Thebes.
Ohio Thebes, larger one in center from Indiana.

 

[uniface]

1) Ends of base clipped.

2) Undamaged notch runs up & in @ top.

3) Overall physique (proportions &c.)

FWIW

 

[H.P.]

....this much finer would be Ok with me!

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...picky, picky,Lol...that’s a beauty.