Florida Beach Re-nourishment

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This is a controversial subject along the Florida coast. I for one, think that is is a waste of taxpayers money. Not because it really messes up my beach detecting time, but because it messes with the natural order of things. I have lived beach side now for over 10 years, and I have watched them re-nourish the beaches time and again from Cape Canaveral down to Jupiter. The one constant seems to be that within a year, mother nature puts things back the way they once were. However, I have never documented this process in the past. So here goes...
These pictures were taken yesterday afternoon at Pelican Park Beach in the sleepy beach side village of Satellite Beach Florida. I have chosen this beach because it is just down the street from by home, and one of my faverite beaches to detect.

Tom
 

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Thanks for sharing that.....not living in an area with beaches like that I never knew they did it. Taxpaid eh? Weird. Every time I have lived on the coast it has been in a more rocky area and I now live in the high desert. Seems strange to me to take taxpayers money to put sand on the beaches. Wouldn't nature put it on and take it off when it chooses anyway? :icon_scratch: I guess having pretty new sand on the beaches is an added attraction for the tourist dollar therefore they feel it is worth it. Now the big question is, do ya want to be bellybutton to bellybutton with tourists? :wink:
 

There is a beach just south of Port Canaveral that was renurished. They added tons of sand. It looked to be a promising site for dropped finds. That was my feeling until the first rains came. This beach is so hard you can bounce a basketball on it and it is covered with iron chips. This sand was pumped up from of shore. This beach is just plain nasty now. Not to mention the turtles might want to eat their Wheaties before trying to dig thru that stuff.

Dale
 

Believe this....Whenever a politician says he is doing something for the "good of the people" he and all the other pols will screw something up. (sorry, thats the nicest way I could say it).

Then they will say "we have to fix that new problem" when there was no problem to start with. Of course they will fix many non existent problems with OUR tax dollars.

Lets start a petition to have ALL pols deported to the country of their choice. At their expense.

I will now go stand in the corner.
 

The material used to "renourish" ( a PC word for ruin) our once pristine beaches is NOT beach compatible material, but is simply dirt. True beach sand is round and consistent in size. On the east coast, there will always be accelerated erosion south of any stabilized inlet.

The process used is fiscally irresponsible and technologically unacceptable. However, the DOLTS who oversee the projects simply don't know any better. The general public also doesn't understand true beach mechanics, and many think it is great. Personally, I tell yankee tourists our beaches have been ruined.

Our beaches in Martin County are simply a DISGRACE and unusable. Hear that, Cathy Fitzpatrick, our "coastal engineer"?
 

Agreed Bill!

However, at least this year the quality of the dirt/sand is much better that that crap used three years ago.

Yep! they ruined our beaches again...
 

until you can buy a house directly on the beach, which continually comes and goes, you'll never understand . Of course the taxpayers have to pay to renourish the beaches, those that live there, (and usually don't want us types on their beaches) could never afford to hold the sea back with their own money.
 

Uh..WHAT?? I CAN afford a house on the beach, but I am not FOOLISH enough to live there. If you are dumb enough to buy/build on a beachfront lot that is unstable and constantly eroding, it is NOT the taxpayers to bail your stoopid butt out. What ever happened to personal accountability? You buy/build on unstable property, you take your chances.
 

We have two naturally replenishing beaches down here and the money taken from the parks entry fees pays for the city to take sand from them and move it to the area on the seawall so free beaches are available to the tourists.
 

Because of the beach mechanics on the east coast of Florida, no natural replenishment occurs anywhere. There is significant buildup on the north side of stabilized inlets, but this is simply sand that is trapped by the jetty; sand that should be migrating south to replace the sand eroding from the south side of the inlet. Some projects mechanically pump this trapped sand to the south side of the inlet, but they are few and far between.

Wave action and a weak longshore countercurrent move this sand.
 

I'm on the East Coast, but further North of you....and I can't stand it when they pump in the sand from the ocean and put it on the beach! I haven't been down to the beach since last year....but I am sure there is new sand on the oceanfront now.

But by August...alot will be washed away unless a good strong storm comes along and washes OUR MONEY back out to sea. Alot of the sand that gets pumped on the beach comes from the Ruddy Inlet area where the boats come and go...they have to keep that area deep enough so boats can pass....

However, I could find better uses for my TAX MONEY than dumping more sand on the beach that Mother Nature wants back and will take back.

I would love to live on the beach, but I choose not to...as I don't intend to have a house floating in pieces in the ocean, either from a Nor'easterner or a hurricane strength storm (we are VERY overdue for a big hit)....just like I would love to live on a cliff in California...however, I choose not too...as I don't want to see my house sliding down a hillside. Man (generally speaking) has not learned....that if you mess up Mother Nature's House, she will come through like a tornado and clean house!!! She will put things back the way she wanted them, even rearranging the 'furniture' to her liking!

I'm 15 mins inland from the oceanfront and 15 mins in the other direction from the bay....that's close enough for me.

Have a wonderful day ya'll,
Annmarie
 

Last Sept. I was at Caladesi island north of Clearwater. They were dredging and filling the pass there. Covered up one of the best wade fishing areas there. Built new jetty, the whole nine yards. Visited there first of March and there was only 30 feet of sand left to county bath house. Brother called yesterday and all the new sand is gone and has returned to where it was 50 years ago. Where do they get these people that decide to do this? The amount of money had to be incredible. At least the fishing should return soon!!
 

Your government at work. I'm amazed (and disgusted) at the gross incompetence of our "coastal engineers" in the gubment. With all the knowledge available about beach mechanics, these bozos plod along spending our taxpayer dollars with reckless abandon.

Even in the '70's as an undergraduate student, 3 of us did an erosion study of Ponce Inlet during the "stabilization". All the mechanics of the beach environment were well known then, and I'm sure there is even more information available now. For our government employees to completely ignore this wealth of information is irresponsible and unprofessional. Of course they rely on the "advice" of companies that make their living dredging and moving sand and dirt..so the fox is guarding the henhouse. Sometimes they rely on advice from the Corps of Engineers, the same folks who did such a wonderful job on the Kissimee River and Lake Okechobee.

If ignorance is bliss, these are some mighty happy people.
 

Dune plants destroyed
FLORIDA TODAY • April 19, 2008

"Balsa" Bill Yerkes used to shore up the dunes behind his house by placing leftover Christmas trees on the sand and letting Mother Nature do the rest.

Last year, he stopped a neighbor from throwing out a dozen century plants so he could plant them on the dune behind his Satellite Beach surf shop. The county joined in as well, planting sea oats on the dune.

This week, Yerkes and his wife were stunned to see most of the vegetation on the dune destroyed by contractors hired by the county to replenish those very dunes.

"Vegetation is what prevents erosion," Yerkes said, pointing to a backhoe sitting atop the dune right by a sign warning people to keep off the dunes. "Without vegetation the rain comes and washes all the sand away. A good high tide can come up and take it out as well.

"Why don't they just dump the sand in the ocean now?" he added. "They're just wasting taxpayer money."

In February, the county embarked on a $3 million beach renourishment project that was seen as a short-term fix. More than $40 million has been spent since the 2004 hurricanes to replace beach sand. The project, slated for completion by the May 1 turtle nesting season, will have dumped 128,000 cubic yards of new dune sand by then.

A recording with the Brevard County Natural Resources Management Office says "Care will be taken in placement of sand in order to neither damage nor bury any vegetation that has established itself naturally or has been planted on the dunes."

'Unfortunate'
Mike McGarry, beach project manager with the county, called the incident an "unfortunate necessity," explaining that the contractor had no other way of getting the sand on the beach without destroying the existing vegetation.

"The contractor is replacing that vegetation at his own expense," McGarry said. "All that dune vegetation that was placed there was part of the restoration project. We try to impact it as little as possible."

McGarry agreed that the root system of the sea oats play a major part in keeping the dunes together.

"It plays a very large part," he said. "And the vegetation itself traps wind-blown sand. That's why it will be replaced."

This was not a problem during earlier parts of the restoration done in the South Beaches area, where the dunes were basically nonexistent. Florida Fish and Wildlife Commission biologist Allen Foley said it's common sense that the better vegetated a beach and dune are, the less erosion will occur.

Nola Yerkes, Bill's wife, said contractors assured her they would not disturb the existing vegetation on the dune. She could not understand the logic of dumping sand without properly reinforcing the dune.

"Last May, the rains came and washed it all away," said Nola Yerkes, blaming the lack of vegetation on the dune.

She was referring to the 2007 storms that were blamed for sweeping $10 million worth of sand from Brevard's beaches.

A grant from the Florida Department of Environmental Protection is funding between 40 and 50 percent of the project. County dollars are covering the rest.

A large-scale dredging project in South Beaches would cost up to $62.5 million, according to the county's coastal engineering consultant. So in December, commissioners directed the staff to look into setting up a beach and shore preservation district that would operate similar to the Sebastian Inlet Taxing District.

Off-color?
Some have complained about the new sand's coloring, which appears to be more orange than white. The contractor, CKA LLC of St. Cloud, has been using sand from five regional borrow pits in Brevard and Indian River counties.

McGarry said the sand is very good beach quality and that the color will change as it gets weathered and dries out a little.

"It's checked every day," McGarry said. "It's true that the material is slightly darker than what's on the beach but that's because it's wet. Once it dries, it lightens up."

McGarry said all the samples taken have met specifications of the quality control plan approved by the state.

He said roughly 100 samples have been checked so far and that everything has met specification.

"People like to use the word dirt but all the samples have met the state standard for beach quality," he said. "The county's standard is even stricter and the samples have met that standard as well."

Susan Valentine, a Floridana Beach resident who has taken an active role in pushing for beach restoration, said she was pleased with the project so far.

She said the wet sand will eventually change color.

"Twenty dump loads of wet sand are going to stay wet for a while," she said.

Foley with the Fish and Wildlife Commission said different color sand should not affect the ecology and the upcoming sea turtle nesting season as long as it is the same quality sand that already is on the beach.

"The two important questions are whether they can build the beach back up in the way it was naturally and are they good at determining if the sand is the same quality," he said.

"Mistakes in either regard may change things dramatically."

http://www.floridatoday.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080419/NEWS01/804190341
 

"Beach quality sand?" We'll see. Go to FIT..they understand the coastal beach mechanics real well. I did an undergraduate thesis on beach erosion over 30 years ago. Borrow pit dirt is hardly beach material..way too many "fines" and organics.

What an absolute crock of bullfeathers. Those bozos don't have the sense to pour pee out of a boot with the instructions written on the heel. Is your longshore water cloudy? Well, guess where that came from..organics in the beach material.

Admittedly, the dunes can be renourished properly by the "fines" being blown from the beach by prevailing winds and trapped by vegetation. That's why you won't find any goodies in the dunes..they are built of windblown material. They used old Xmas trees decades ago in Georgia and the Carolinas as a dune builder, but that was when real beach material was in place.

Unfortunately, I'm sure Brevard county thinks they're doing a great job. We have the same problem down here in Martin County. Oafs.
 

Has anyone watched the building of the Dubias World Islands? Very interesting how it was built by real engineers, they found the need to extract real beach sand from the ocean floor! Expensive, yes, but the mega-billion dollar project it is demanded it!

I think it is a real waste of time to mess with mother nature, if they want to really stop erosion from the waves then a seawall would be a real way, imagine the cost of that!

I for one don't agree with the replenish idea, then to make things worse as I understand it they come along and loosen it all up with those rakes to pick up your goodies which makes it all the easier for the sand to be taken out to sea.

I have no knowledge of sand other than the sand I still have in my shoes from living near Daytona years ago and I feel for you that live there now!
 

When the government replenishes the sand on the beaches, where does the sand go? Back into the ocean, right? Does this sand cover up wreck sites? And won't the sand impede the salvagers from finding treasure and take that much more time for the Government to get "paid" when the treasure is found?

It sounds like they are out to get the beachcomers from finding treasure, but delaying their payments from the salvagers. Just curious.
 

Taxes,Taxes, Taxes. Most beach Re-nourishment in Fla. is not PAID by taxpaider. It's paid by BED taxes,that is the tax that place on beds in Hotel and Motels.So the Snowbird are paiding for the Beach Re-nourishments
 

Since I have alot of time to detect. What do I do now? Look for stuff on the beach in the Crap sand or stay at the parks where I make the most dough? Should I wait for storms to wash away some of the crap sand and is that why I hardly see anyone at the beach detecting, especially on the treasure coast? Maybe they are at work during the week when I go. I got to get used to this retirement thing.
 

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