For you Native American jewelry experts

[cheech]

What you think of value, age and maybe region or tribe if you can tell by looking at the pictures thank you very much

5 1/2 oz no marks

196 grams no marks

 

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[OldSowBreath]

First picture - Navajo Squash Blossom necklace, "Old Pawn" - 1910-1940's. (I think). Look those key words up on ebay. Nice piece of jewelry!

 

[RustyGold]

If the stones are treated then late sixties early seventies if not, then pre that time frame.
Yes the top piece is a Navajo Squash Blossom with what appears to be Bisbee Turquiose. Beautiful stones in that one.
Also looks like the silver beads I use to buy from the 60's/70's

 

[cheech]

Thank you very much for the information will the second necklace be the same type of stone Bisbee turquoise thanks again

 

[diggummup]

Highly unusual for a squash blossom necklace to have a cross versus a naja as a center piece. Nice looking cross though, beautiful stones.

 

[Injunbro]

Navajo from NE Arizona or NW New Mexico. This sounds a little weird but lick the stones, the old timers used to treat the turquoise w/ sheep or deer fat & if licked will stick to your skin. More modern silversmiths use stuff like shellac or linseed oil & it stays slick but does hold a sheen longer. I'm just guessing but think that's pre- 1960 & is worth a lot more than a lot of the modern stuff, some of which is nickel-silver or aluminum. Turquoise comes from several other places here in AZ besides Bisbee (Gleeson, Bagdad, Morenci, Copperopolis, etc.) but is all often called "Bisbee Turquoise".

 

[cheech]

Highly unusual for a squash blossom necklace to have a cross versus a naja as a center piece. Nice looking cross though, beautiful stones.

Here's a couple pictures of the back you don't think this cross goes with the necklace

 

[Drmad7]

It probably does, just unusual. I just sold this necklace for a buddy who paid $30 for it:

 

[huntsman53]

Man, the Navajo Squash Blossom Necklaces sure bring some high prices!

navajo squash blossom necklace | eBay


Frank

 

[cheech]

Man, the Navajo Squash Blossom Necklaces sure bring some high prices!

navajo squash blossom necklace | eBay


Frank

Tell me about it this why I want to do my homework before selling
http://m.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=navajo+squash+blossom+necklace&_sop=16

 

[diggummup]

Here's a couple pictures of the back you don't think this cross goes with the necklace
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It's hard to say with any hard truth and I am by no means an expert. My honest opinion (and that's all this is) is that it is an added piece. Most that have crosses are either part of the naja itself, like the one shown by Drmad, and/or they don't actually have "squash blossoms" on them, also like the one shown by Drmad. It kind of looks disproportionate (large) in size to the necklace itself too.
The naja is also usually attached either permanently as a piece of the necklace that cannot be removed and if it does have an attachment loop, it will usually be soldered closed as with this piece-

I did find one other example of a squash blossom necklace like yours with actual squash blossoms and a single cross pendant, so they do exist. shown here- Abby Kent Flythe Fine Art

Yours is a nice piece either way. Anybody else have any thoughts on this?

 

[OldSowBreath]

Just a point - I think most pieces pre-1972 are unsigned (unmarked). Seems I read that somewhere in a NA jewelry mag and it made an impression on me. I might be wrong.

Next, let's stop this discussion and the education of the great unwashed (not the forum, of course). This is what I've been looking for at g sales and flea markets lately. I think the real stuff will only go up in value. Think Charles Loloma and the like.

 

[MRBeyer]

I had an explanation of old pawn and a reference to a specialist in this area. He sell Native American Jewelry and western art on Ebay. Here is the previous posting.
http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/w...let-opens-hidden-compartment.html#post4763865

 

[cheech]

Thank you everybody for the information[emoji106]🏻

 

[cheech]

Have a quick question about these turquoise I took a hot needle and I stuck it to the necklaces and it did not penetrate them from what I've read that would determine that they are natural turquoises is there another way to be 100% sure before I list them thank you for your response

 

[ARC]

Welll the "hot pin" only tests for plastic vs stone....
Reconstituted Turquoise will test solid on this...
Also...
Stabilized turquoise has a "waxy" look to it.
Like yours does..

Btw ... great find,

 

[ARC]

The bracelet seems like synthetic turquoise beads... imo

 

[cheech]

The bracelet seems like synthetic turquoise beads... imo

Here is some more pictures under 10 power and 30 power the bracelet is actually a choker necklace it looks like real stone to me but I don't think I've ever came across real turquoise myself personally that I paid attention to

10x

30x

 

[ARC]

Yeah its good... with those pics I can see it now... looks good to me.